Agree, got that gun on a trade once, thought it'd be a neat gun to have, sold it after shooting it once.
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Agree, got that gun on a trade once, thought it'd be a neat gun to have, sold it after shooting it once.
Retired-LEO
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Too much controversy on caliber!
The pistol has to be small enough that you "Actually Carry It" Rather than leaving it in the safe.
The pistol has to fit your hand! Don't pick a pistol based on what article you read OR what someone told you,
That you should carry! You have to pick the pistol that is right for YOU!
You must be able to shoot accurately with it, even under stress! Try something that physically gets your blood pumping like: Push-ups, Jumping Jacks...ect... Then see if you can even hit your target!
Practice strong hand, weak hand, two hands, with sights, w/o sights, bright sun light, low light and any other scenario that you think could happen.
You must practicing drawing from a holster, standing and sitting!
You must practice how to handle malfunctions (even if you think yours is the only gun that does not malfunction)
You must practice dis-engaging the safety (even if you never put it on!)
You need to practice gun retention!!! Yes the bad guy will most likely try to take your gun given a chance.
Practice in your head (a dry run if you will) Explaining to the authorities why and how you legally defended yourself with a firearm!
You have to have the mind-set to do all this and more!
The pistol has to be small enough that you "Actually Carry It" Rather than leaving it in the safe.
The pistol has to fit your hand! Don't pick a pistol based on what article you read OR what someone told you,
That you should carry! You have to pick the pistol that is right for YOU!
You must be able to shoot accurately with it, even under stress! Try something that physically gets your blood pumping like: Push-ups, Jumping Jacks...ect... Then see if you can even hit your target!
Practice strong hand, weak hand, two hands, with sights, w/o sights, bright sun light, low light and any other scenario that you think could happen.
You must practicing drawing from a holster, standing and sitting!
You must practice how to handle malfunctions (even if you think yours is the only gun that does not malfunction)
You must practice dis-engaging the safety (even if you never put it on!)
You need to practice gun retention!!! Yes the bad guy will most likely try to take your gun given a chance.
Practice in your head (a dry run if you will) Explaining to the authorities why and how you legally defended yourself with a firearm!
You have to have the mind-set to do all this and more!
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^^^this...and being able to comfortably carry and conceal with as many rounds as you can...comes down to what you're better with
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Machines
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I think the caliber arguments are just semantics past a certain point. There have been instances of people being killed by a single .22 from a block away. There have been instances of people surviving seven rounds of .45. Who's to say which category your defense situation will fall into? Do you want to carry a .44mag just in case? The .32acp was the standard European police and officer's caliber for around 50 years, yet people today act like it'll bounce off someone's forehead.
I've owned a J-frame .38, a Sig P238, two Seecamps, a Taurus TCP, and a Kel-Tec P32. The J-frame and Sig are the best GUNS by a large margin, but they're also both large and heavy enough to be firmly out of pocket-pistol class if you wear pants that fit. I felt like if I was going to bother IWB carrying it might as well be a 9mm or larger. The other guns really are true pocket guns. Seecamps are too weird and heavy, the P32 is so light you can't tell it's in your pocket, the TCP has a great trigger and feels like a bigger gun. Both the TCP and older Kel-Tecs have triggers that fail to reset if you short-stroke them. If I had a better choice of guns (read: not MA) I'd assume an LCP (especially LCP Custom) would be the best option. Bodyguards are chunky and have staple gun triggers.
In a lot of these conversations I think folks want to define how close to actual pocket carry they're considering. Guns like PPKs get brought up alongside P3ATs but they're nothing alike.
I've owned a J-frame .38, a Sig P238, two Seecamps, a Taurus TCP, and a Kel-Tec P32. The J-frame and Sig are the best GUNS by a large margin, but they're also both large and heavy enough to be firmly out of pocket-pistol class if you wear pants that fit. I felt like if I was going to bother IWB carrying it might as well be a 9mm or larger. The other guns really are true pocket guns. Seecamps are too weird and heavy, the P32 is so light you can't tell it's in your pocket, the TCP has a great trigger and feels like a bigger gun. Both the TCP and older Kel-Tecs have triggers that fail to reset if you short-stroke them. If I had a better choice of guns (read: not MA) I'd assume an LCP (especially LCP Custom) would be the best option. Bodyguards are chunky and have staple gun triggers.
In a lot of these conversations I think folks want to define how close to actual pocket carry they're considering. Guns like PPKs get brought up alongside P3ATs but they're nothing alike.
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Rob Boudrie
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Most likely you will, at some point, be talking - with your attorney and upon his/her advice.
For people who act lawfully, telling the truth can help - but only if you have a skilled representative making sure that you are given a chance to describe what actually happened, without being manipulated into saying something that can be used out of context to either paint you in a negative light or be used out of context to impeach your statement. Just having a skilled attorney to say "don't answer that" at the right time can be of profound benefit, and will prevent the interrogator from pressuring you for not answering a particular question.
That being said, it is important to have a basic understanding of the law, and the statutes and precedents that govern cases similar to yours. For example, saying "that dog bared its teeth at me and I feared he was about to bite me" can result in no charges or an acquital whereas "that dog was going to bite my dog so I shot him" would result in an animal cruelty conviction. (This is a real example, and actually happened - unfortunately, the defendant made the later statement).
One reason (among many) that police are almost always found to have acted properly is they understand the law, and how to write a report that frames their actions in a manner that depicts lawful behavior.
In other words, having an attorney is no substitute for knowing how to handle a use of force interrogation.
I would recommend "Criminal Interrogation and Confessions" by Inbau, Reed, et. al. as a starting point. If anything, the book will teach you that the reassuring hand on the shoulder and comments like "I can see how you would have done that" are not an indication the interview, ooops, interrogation, is going well for you.
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In God We Trust
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"Sir, I was in fear for (my/his/her/it's) life. I want to and plan to cooperate fully with the investigation. However, on the advice of counsel, I need to speak with my attorney before making a complete statement."
Rinse and repeat as needed until your attorney tells you otherwise.
Another big aspect of only speaking with counsel is that you won't have contradicting statements on the record, either. When Harold Fish ran his mouth to the cops, one of the things that put him away was the fact that the times the events occurred at seemingly changed between when he was with the cops and when he was questioned in court, later, etc- if the DA can paint the defender with a gun as an unreliable witness or even someone trying to deceive people, it makes it easier for them to convict the person. Juries will basically shit all over unreliable witnesses when it comes time to render a verdict.
-Mike
