Is .410 enough?

[Karl]

I'm looking for opinions here. Do you think, with today's advancements in modern ammo, that .410 can be a viable home defense load? Now I'm talking useable, maybe not optimal, but useable. Ammo technology has advanced so much in the last 10 years and it seems like since the release of the Judge ammo manufacturers have been releasing new rounds for the 410.

What do you think?

 

[Mass-diver]

I don't think so....

 

[AllaSnackbah]

410 slug, definitely, how many people have a 9mm, .40, .45 handgun as their only HD weapon?

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Better then a wrist rocket, but not something I would buy with that intended use.

 

[M1911]

I can think of so many better choices than .410.

 

[lupis42]

410 slug, definitely, how many people have a 9mm, .40, .45 handgun as their only HD weapon?

a .410 slug is lighter than a .9mm round (around 95 grains, IIRC) and slower than a .45 ACP, even out of a full length barrel. What do you gain for the trade off in stopping power?

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[Jason]

Several year back Mossberg put out a simple cheap home defense shotgun in .410. The thought was that the .410 was as powerful as a .357 and could be handled by almost all adults.

 

[el duderino]

Sure, if the invading force is mice.

 

[qwik88]

i shore as heck wouldnt wanna get shot with one

 

[ChevyGuy91]

i shore as heck wouldnt wanna get shot with one

I don't want to get shot with a BB gun, but that doesn't mean I am going to defend myself with one.

 

[atmay]

.410m IMO, is not a terribly viable HD choice.

Slugs are typically 1/4oz, or about 110gr. The Brenneke 3" magnums put out about 1700fps, and about 780ft-lbs of energy. That's roughly twice the KE of your average 9mm load, and enough to do some decent damage.

The problem, however, comes to your choice of firearms. I wouldn't touch the judge with a 27.5' pole. That leaves real shotguns. If I was going to buy a real shotgun for HD, it sure as shit wouldn't be chambered in .410. 12ga Brenneke slugs put out FOUR TIMES the KE of the .410 loads.

Also consider that the .410 is NOT a viable firearm to fire buckshot through. You get 2-4 00 pellets in a single column. They deform, and do funky things.

If you use it right, a .410 will kill a man. Then again, so won't a .22CB. That doesn't mean it's a good choice for HD.



ETA: To touch on comparisons to pistol calibers, find me a .410 handgun that's fed by 17, 19, or 33 round magazines then we'll talk.

 

[Climbnsink]

With slugs it is fine, as pointed out more muzzle energy than many handguns.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

With slugs it is fine, as pointed out more muzzle energy than many handguns.

Out of a long gun. I will take the 17 rounds sitting in my Glock 21 over a 5 round pump .410 everyday of the week.

 

[Climbnsink]

Out of a long gun. I will take the 17 rounds sitting in my Glock 21 over a 5 round pump .410 everyday of the week.

How many rounds get fired in the average home invasion?

 

[ChevyGuy91]

How many rounds get fired in the average home invasion?

How ever many are needed. Why would I intentionally under gun myself?

 

[Dradian]

How many rounds get fired in the average home invasion?

I'm sure its less than three.

.410 is fine. So is .380acp.

Just get a platform you're comfortable with and practice. Placement is everything.


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[In God We Trust]

If it was all I had, I would choose a 410 over a baseball bat, but I would never intentionally put myself in a situation where my life was depending on a 410 to stop an attacker. Sell it an buy a cheap 12.

ETA: this is coming from a guy that primarily carries a .380, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[DavidC77]

If your useing it in a Taurus Judge or one of the new S&W Governors .smith-wesson.com/Governor then I would say yes.

If you are wanting a 410 shot gun you would be much better off with a Remington 870 .remington.com/model-870-express-tactical or another gun companys gun along the same lines.

 

[whatluck]

If you can't handle 20ga then what you need is a good reliable ar-15 with a light and 0 magnification optic and some .223 hornady tap.

 

[Jose]

Several year back Mossberg put out a simple cheap home defense shotgun in .410. The thought was that the .410 was as powerful as a .357 and could be handled by almost all adults.

Marketing gimmick

 

[Jose]

With slugs it is fine, as pointed out more muzzle energy than many handguns.

Muzzle energy doesn't mean shit when it comes to terminal ballistics

 

[Jose]

How many rounds get fired in the average home invasion?

You can bet on the average.

I'll bet on myself with a 30 round magazine of .223 Hornady TAP

 

[Jose]

If you can't handle 20ga then what you need is a good reliable ar-15 with a light and 0 magnification optic and some .223 hornady tap.

Finally some common sense

 

[twinbrook86]

12 gauge dude 12

 

[Karl]

Wow, this thread took off over night!

So here's the deal, I have no interest in the Judge or the Governor, people I trust have said it best when they said they can't find anything it does better than anything else. I use a Mossberg 500 in 12 gauge for my go to gun for when the feses hits the rotating oscillator. I have another Mossberg 500 in 410 that was my fathers (not sure why). My wife has a hard time handling the 12 gauge. I also noticed Mossberg is making the 500HS, a 410 for home security.

 

[el duderino]

Wow, this thread took off over night!

So here's the deal, I have no interest in the Judge or the Governor, people I trust have said it best when they said they can't find anything it does better than anything else. I use a Mossberg 500 in 12 gauge for my go to gun for when the feses hits the rotating oscillator. I have another Mossberg 500 in 410 that was my fathers (not sure why). My wife has a hard time handling the 12 gauge. I also noticed Mossberg is making the 500HS, a 410 for home security.

If 12 is too much for her, trade that 410 towards a 20g, she should be fine with that and youve still got a viable home defense weapon.

 

[atmay]

If 12 is too much for her, trade that 410 towards a 20g, she should be fine with that and youve still got a viable home defense weapon.

Or, just buy a 20ga and keep dad's .410 for tree-rat season.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Or, just buy a 20ga and keep dad's .410 for tree-rat season.

That. A .410 might be a neat gun to have for tree-rats, a buddy I used to hunt with in CA had one and he loved it.

 

[Pilgrim]

It used to be that cops bet their lives on the .32 . Then the 38sw. Then the 38 spl. then the .357mag. then the .45 or the .40.

Now a .410 is not big enough for home defense. Give me a break.

Sure there are things that are better, but if you have physical limitations, go with whatever you can shoot.

 

[ochmude]

20ga is quite gentle compared to 12ga, without making extreme sacrifices in performance. I'd definitely recommend that over .410.