Is it OK to dry fire the M&P's?

[Supermoto]

One of the benefits of the "idiot wire" is while doing a trigger job, if you cut the nose of the sear far enough that the striker will not release, then you can use it to get the slide off. Then you shave down the height of the sear and all is good again

 

[economist]

One of the benefits of the "idiot wire" is while doing a trigger job, if you cut the nose of the sear far enough that the striker will not release, then you can use it to get the slide off. Then you shave down the height of the sear and all is good again

I used it for just that purpose doing my first pass at an M&P trigger job. But I replaced the sear and started over. Shaving the height seemed like a bad fix as it would necessarily result in less sear material engaging the striker.

 

[Jose]

Good to know, though I have no intention of messing with the trigger on either of mine. It is definitely not what is holding me back and I am pretty sure I don't want any less sear engagement than what was designed into it.

 

[economist]

Good to know, though I have no intention of messing with the trigger on either of mine. It is definitely not what is holding me back and I am pretty sure I don't want any less sear engagement than what was designed into it.

Yeah, these Mass guns pretty much force us into trigger work. A stock M&P trigger is probably not too bad (not that I have ever tried one).

 

[Len-2A Training]

A stock M&P trigger is probably not too bad (not that I have ever tried one).

No, they are bad . . . just not as bad as the MA trigger.

 

[Jose]

No, they are bad . . . just not as bad as the MA trigger.

Your definition of bad trigger is strange.

 

[Jose]

Yeah, these Mass guns pretty much force us into trigger work. A stock M&P trigger is probably not too bad (not that I have ever tried one).

They are pretty decent, as you would expect in a fighting pistol. They do clean up with use. My full size has 1500 rounds through it and most people think I had a job done on it. It is just bone stock.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Your definition of bad trigger is strange.

Jose I think that you and I have been thru this discussion before.

I've shot a "sample size" of 5 M&Ps and my biggest criticism is that unlike the Glock, the M&Ps tend to vary a considerable amount in the mfg process, from sample to sample.

For others who won't use "search" and might be interested, here's the stack-up.

- M&P 45 US trigger at S&W Shooting Center. It undoubtedly had countless rounds thru it. Decent trigger.

- M&P 45 US trigger, NIB with 11# pull, after 700 rds it was down to 8#. At the 8# mark it was fair. Derr trigger job to 5# and it is now real sweet.

- M&P 9 MA trigger at S&W Shooting Center. It undoubtedly had countless rounds thru it. Poor trigger, but not terrible.

- M&P 9 US trigger, NIB with 8# pull, but very gritty feel to it. Derr trigger job to 5# and it is now real sweet.

- M&P 9c MA trigger with a Santurri 4.5# trigger job. Real sweet. Prior owner had this done before I bought it.

All trigger pulls (except S&W SC) were measured with Lyman Electronic Trigger Gauge, averaged over 10 pulls.

YMMV and the mere fact that many differ (confirmed with JonJ in discussions about the new M&P 45s that his PD obtained) means that each of us will have a "different experience".

 

[JayMac]

Alot of good info in this thread; all good to know. I've already contacted Greg and that will be making that one of my first orders of business when my license comes in.
Also, supermoto, which rounds are you using for dry-fire practice? Do you buy them or do you make them yourself?
Thanks

 

[jar]

Also, supermoto, which rounds are you using for dry-fire practice? Do you buy them or do you make them yourself?
Thanks

I'm pretty sure he makes them himself. I've never seen dummy rounds with normal bullets for sale. Any reloader could make you some. If you're in my area at some point I could make you some.

 

[JayMac]

Any reloader could make you some. If you're in my area at some point I could make you some.

Thanks for the offer! How far is Westford from Bradford, any idea? I'd be interested to see if there are any guys in my area who are offering reloads for sale if you supply the brass...

 

[jar]

Thanks for the offer! How far is Westford from Bradford, any idea? I'd be interested to see if there are any guys in my area who are offering reloads for sale if you supply the brass...

Ah, it's only about 25 miles. I was thinking Bradford was out west for some reason. I doubt there are many offering reloads for sale. That would require all kinds of licensing and paperwork. The only one I know of is qmmo down in Mansfield. Once you get your license, let me know and I'll make you some dummies.

Question for Supermoto or others who have made dummies. Do you decap them or leave the spent primer in place?

 

[Jose]

Ah, it's only about 25 miles. I was thinking Bradford was out west for some reason. I doubt there are many offering reloads for sale. That would require all kinds of licensing and paperwork. The only one I know of is qmmo down in Mansfield. Once you get your license, let me know and I'll make you some dummies.

Question for Supermoto or others who have made dummies. Do you decap them or leave the spent primer in place?

I decap mine. There there is no doubt.

 

[Supermoto]

Decap mine also

 

[JayMac]

Once you get your license, let me know and I'll make you some dummies.

Thanks, that sounds great! I'll keep you updated, but trust me, you'll know - there'll be celebratory posts immediately!!!

 

[Underwhere]

I broke a striker (at the shoulder) on my M&P 9 last week. It happened during a dry firing exercise. This gun has had ~ 1200 rounds through it and has been dry fired about 2000 times. My replacement striker assembly is on back order ($23.00 each). You might want to order one just in case.
Mil-Dot

WTF?

 

[vellnueve]

Metal fatigue eventually means that something will break if you keep hammering steel on steel like that. Before the Glock people go crazy... on Glocks at times the entire chamber face gets cracked, not the striker.

 

[Underwhere]

Metal fatigue eventually means that something will break if you keep hammering steel on steel like that. Before the Glock people go crazy... on Glocks at times the entire chamber face gets cracked, not the striker.

Yeah I've seen pictures of that but I've never known anyone to actually have that problem.

With the M&P, that guy only had 1200 rounds through it. That's "new" in my eyes.

On my M&P the chamber face has a crater in it near the opening for the striker.

 

[vellnueve]

Is is a crater or is it just beveled?

 

[Supermoto]

The FP hole has a bevel cut at the bottom of the hole

 

[Underwhere]

Is is a crater or is it just beveled?

The FP hole has a bevel cut at the bottom of the hole

That's it. Thanks.

Why does it need a bevel cut in it?

 

[Supermoto]

Help keep the firing pin channel clean of debris and to prevent any burrs on the breachface that would prevent the case from sliding up smoothly

 

[Underwhere]

Help keep the firing pin channel clean of debris and to prevent any burrs on the breachface that would prevent the case from sliding up smoothly

Looks like someone went overboard with an egg shaped hammer.
I guess what you said makes sense.

 

[Jose]

You guys look far too closely. IDK if there is a bevel around the firing pin or not, nor does it matter to me. I just shoot it.

 

[Underwhere]

You guys look far too closely. IDK if there is a bevel around the firing pin or not, nor does it matter to me. I just shoot it.

Yeah that's probably true.
I've had a lot of time on my hands while I was sick with the flu.

My M&P had takedown issues and I found a large burr that seems to be the culprit. Since then I started to look for other manufacturing defects.

 

[Mil-Dot]

Since S&W provides a lifetime warranty, a phone call wrt broken striker may get you one faster than waiting on parts that are back-ordered thru Midway/Brownells/etc. as well as cheaper.

You're right! I called S&W today and they are sending me a shipping label. Bad news is that they will not allow me to send in the broken striker for a new one. I have to send in the whole pistol to get it replaced. Could take 4-6 weeks.

 

[vellnueve]

You'll probably have it back within 2 weeks if not less.

 

[matt]

You're right! I called S&W today and they are sending me a shipping label. Bad news is that they will not allow me to send in the broken striker for a new one. I have to send in the whole pistol to get it replaced. Could take 4-6 weeks.

I dropped a pistol off for service a couple weeks ago. Called 3 days later to check on it and it was in the shipping room on the way back. They fixed what was broken, but wouldn't remove the mag disconnect for me.

 

[vellnueve]

Why would you expect them to remove it?