JRT
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Keeping mags loaded
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I wish that were true, one of a kind.
KBCraig
NES Member
There are no clips in that picture. In Lee-Enfield parlance, that's a magazine, and a charger.
technically...
Are those 30 caliber clips? Oh no!
Honestly if it weren't for the rap songs, anti gun banter and rebuttals whether it be YouTube, forums or talking shop with friends. I'm sure people wouldn't bother as much with the distinction. Of course the terms would hardly have ever been mixed if not for rap songs and movies hence the misuse by politicians. Cause you know how politicians like to base laws on theatrics and movies
For the OP's edumacation:
http://youtu.be/UoSNHe413rY
http://youtu.be/QRw7yqz-3-s
Honestly if it weren't for the rap songs, anti gun banter and rebuttals whether it be YouTube, forums or talking shop with friends. I'm sure people wouldn't bother as much with the distinction. Of course the terms would hardly have ever been mixed if not for rap songs and movies hence the misuse by politicians. Cause you know how politicians like to base laws on theatrics and movies
For the OP's edumacation:
http://youtu.be/UoSNHe413rY
http://youtu.be/QRw7yqz-3-s
GlockJock
NES Member
OP: So, Tom, don't shy away from further participation in this forum. No matter what you post/ask/comment, you'll almost ALWAYS get some sort of unexpected, perhaps harsh, perhaps demeaning, etc retort. It is what it is here. And "here" is basically just a reflection of society in general, especially here in the Northeast part of the US. There are probably more curmudgeons and sarcastic know-it-all types in New England than anywhere else in the world. (Maybe not, but, hey, "just sayin" .
90% of the times I've posted something I've had at least a % of the replies be some sort of wiseass comment etc. Especially when asking about something I simply didn't know anything about. Other time members have misread and/or misconstrued what I was saying or trying to say, and often I myself will misread or misinterpret a post by another member. It's inherent in the "new world" of communicating via (sometimes exclusively via) texting, email, bloggingy, etc etc... A friendly "You're such an a-hole" said with a smile and voice inflection at a bar or wherever can turn into an all out WAR on a forum or blog or textsy. F*ckBook is a great example of that. Started out as a way to contact old friends and evolved into a world of "F*CK YOU TOO blah blah blah".
There are some members here whom you might construe to be complete jackasses from their posts then you meet them at a shoot or happen to bump into them at a gun shop and discover "Wow, what a great guy/gal", etc. I had a war of words with someone over something I posted that was misconstrued as being a slam. After some back and forth BS, I said to hell with it and gave the guy my cell # and said "call me to discuss further" etc...
One day he called and we spent ten minutes clearing the air and clarifying our respective thoughts etc. Then we spent over an hour chatting about guns and family and discovered he has family that knew mine, etc.
We now get together for backyard barbecues and we both (plus wife, kids etc) were at his cousin's wedding back in October, etc.
Additionally, last year I'd posted about some kids we know who adopted a kitten from a shelter. Few days went by, kitty turned I'll, went to vet and discovered she had multiple ailments and required serious vet care and $erious medicine expen$es. The kids (they're living together, 20s and don't have spare expendable dough) simply couldn't afford the care for the kitten and were going to sell their crappy car and take a bus or beg a ride to work if necessary, using the saved $ to try to pay for the kitten's care. They heard about that GoFundMe site and, now desperate, they started one.
I kicked in what I could then got the idea in my head to post the story here on NES, since I don't have FB and don't have time for blog /Twitter etc.. . I figured maybe they might a total of $50 from maybe a few NESers who might have cats.
Within 48 hours after posting the story and a pic of the cute little sick cat, I got a call from the young coyoley, thanking me for my generosity and asking me if I knew where the literal flood of other donations were coming from. They allowed me to look at the signatures and texts they got with the donations and they all had NES names or inferences that "gave away" their identity, so to speak. One note said something like "Never had a cat but if my dog was sick I'd probably reach out to NES also" or something like that. The kids were blown away by the generosity and I myself received follow up inquiries from some members asking how Kitty was doing. A few still ask (she's healthy as all heck now, by the way!). And some of those who ask and several who donated were members who you would absolutely consider to be the last persons you'd expect to be donating to you, especially after knocking you around here in the forum!
My point? As you continue with your NES membership, you'll see that you're among some of the best, most awesome human beings you'll ever meet.
You just haven't met them yet.
[emoji6]
(oh, and interesting side note: was thinking how there are so many sarcastic wiseass cynical pr*cks there are here on NES...and over the holidays we had family over, we're watching a home movie. Relatives birthday party a few years back. I'm at a table with wife and family, casual conversation, and I let loose with a sarcastic slam at my sister in law. Laughter, giggles etc. As the laughter is fading, my wife then says, about me, "He's such a sarcastic, wiseass, cynical pr*ck sometimes".
More laughter. Laughter also from the family watching the home movie. Then it hits me: I really AM a sarcastic pr*ck.
No wonder I like NES forum so much.
Great minds think alike! [emoji5] )
90% of the times I've posted something I've had at least a % of the replies be some sort of wiseass comment etc. Especially when asking about something I simply didn't know anything about. Other time members have misread and/or misconstrued what I was saying or trying to say, and often I myself will misread or misinterpret a post by another member. It's inherent in the "new world" of communicating via (sometimes exclusively via) texting, email, bloggingy, etc etc... A friendly "You're such an a-hole" said with a smile and voice inflection at a bar or wherever can turn into an all out WAR on a forum or blog or textsy. F*ckBook is a great example of that. Started out as a way to contact old friends and evolved into a world of "F*CK YOU TOO blah blah blah".
There are some members here whom you might construe to be complete jackasses from their posts then you meet them at a shoot or happen to bump into them at a gun shop and discover "Wow, what a great guy/gal", etc. I had a war of words with someone over something I posted that was misconstrued as being a slam. After some back and forth BS, I said to hell with it and gave the guy my cell # and said "call me to discuss further" etc...
One day he called and we spent ten minutes clearing the air and clarifying our respective thoughts etc. Then we spent over an hour chatting about guns and family and discovered he has family that knew mine, etc.
We now get together for backyard barbecues and we both (plus wife, kids etc) were at his cousin's wedding back in October, etc.
Additionally, last year I'd posted about some kids we know who adopted a kitten from a shelter. Few days went by, kitty turned I'll, went to vet and discovered she had multiple ailments and required serious vet care and $erious medicine expen$es. The kids (they're living together, 20s and don't have spare expendable dough) simply couldn't afford the care for the kitten and were going to sell their crappy car and take a bus or beg a ride to work if necessary, using the saved $ to try to pay for the kitten's care. They heard about that GoFundMe site and, now desperate, they started one.
I kicked in what I could then got the idea in my head to post the story here on NES, since I don't have FB and don't have time for blog /Twitter etc.. . I figured maybe they might a total of $50 from maybe a few NESers who might have cats.
Within 48 hours after posting the story and a pic of the cute little sick cat, I got a call from the young coyoley, thanking me for my generosity and asking me if I knew where the literal flood of other donations were coming from. They allowed me to look at the signatures and texts they got with the donations and they all had NES names or inferences that "gave away" their identity, so to speak. One note said something like "Never had a cat but if my dog was sick I'd probably reach out to NES also" or something like that. The kids were blown away by the generosity and I myself received follow up inquiries from some members asking how Kitty was doing. A few still ask (she's healthy as all heck now, by the way!). And some of those who ask and several who donated were members who you would absolutely consider to be the last persons you'd expect to be donating to you, especially after knocking you around here in the forum!
My point? As you continue with your NES membership, you'll see that you're among some of the best, most awesome human beings you'll ever meet.
You just haven't met them yet.
[emoji6]
(oh, and interesting side note: was thinking how there are so many sarcastic wiseass cynical pr*cks there are here on NES...and over the holidays we had family over, we're watching a home movie. Relatives birthday party a few years back. I'm at a table with wife and family, casual conversation, and I let loose with a sarcastic slam at my sister in law. Laughter, giggles etc. As the laughter is fading, my wife then says, about me, "He's such a sarcastic, wiseass, cynical pr*ck sometimes".
More laughter. Laughter also from the family watching the home movie. Then it hits me: I really AM a sarcastic pr*ck.
No wonder I like NES forum so much.
Great minds think alike! [emoji5] )
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my experience has been that cycling the springs loosens them more than keeping a mag loaded full of rounds.
that being said i have heard of people loading only 8-9 rounds in a 10 rd mag for long-term storage but haven't personally experimented with this.
that being said i have heard of people loading only 8-9 rounds in a 10 rd mag for long-term storage but haven't personally experimented with this.
Kicker96FS
NES Member
So glad we all know the difference between clips and Mags now! It only took 38 posts.
Oh, what GlockJock said, he is the expert!
I'll just drop this here now and go away.
Oh, what GlockJock said, he is the expert!
I'll just drop this here now and go away.
Actually, it was done in post 4 and 11. You could've gone away a long time ago.
![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
GlockJock
NES Member
fencer
NES Member
You know, I knew the answer to the OP's question and have heard all of the answers/ opinions to the loaded magazine question... and I keep a ton of magazines loaded, but am I the only one who wrestles with the fact that it does not wear the springs?
Not that I would change my practice. I keep magazines loaded because they work better in a crisis situation if they have boolits in them. I keep so many mags loaded that if the shtf, it would take 2 days before I had to reload them.
I have plenty of replacement springs on hand too. Just because.
Not that I would change my practice. I keep magazines loaded because they work better in a crisis situation if they have boolits in them. I keep so many mags loaded that if the shtf, it would take 2 days before I had to reload them.
I have plenty of replacement springs on hand too. Just because.
Don't worry about the clip/mag reference OP. We all have to start somewhere. The peeps here wouldn't rib you if they didn't care.![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
As far as the 30cal/clip/mag goes, let's let Jerry give us the heads up!
Enjoy!
StevensMarksman
As far as the 30cal/clip/mag goes, let's let Jerry give us the heads up!
Enjoy!
StevensMarksman
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KBCraig
NES Member
Don't worry about the clip/mag reference OP. We all have to start somewhere. The peeps here wouldn't rib you if they didn't care.
As far as the 30cal/clip/mag goes, let's let Jerry give us the heads up!
Enjoy!
StevensMarksman
If a poly lower is good enough for Jerry, it's good enough for me.
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Spring steels are normally formed at a harness that is close to the ulitimate hardness that can be achieved for that particular alloy, however they are NOT at the full hardness that can be achieved. Because of this it's completely normal for a compression spring to become slightly shorter when it's first cycled. This is where the term of a spring taking a "set" comes from. What happens is that as the spring is cycled it will increase in hardness slightly to it's ultimate hardness and because it's a compression spring, it will reduce it's length slightly as this happens. Once that fully work hardened state is achieved that "set" won't change until the spring approaches failure due to internal crack migration due to fatigue. Basically the process is as follows, initially a slight loss in length with a slight increas in compression strength, followed by a long period of stable length, then followed by a rapid decrease in free length leading up to complete failure. Note, this only happens as a result of cycling of the spring through compression/decompression cycles. Keep a compression spring compressed and it won't ever fail until it starts to corrode.
Hooke's law states that
or, equivalently,
where
is a positive real number, characteristic of the spring. Moreover, the same formula holds when the spring is compressed, with
and
both negative in that case. According to this formula, the graph of the applied force
as a function of the displacement
will be a straight line passing through the origin, whose slopw is
.
Hooke's law for a spring is often stated under the convention that
is the restoring (reaction) force exerted by the spring on whatever is pulling its free end. In that case the equation becomes
since the direction of the restoring force is opposite to that of the displacement.
Hooke's law states that
Hooke's law for a spring is often stated under the convention that
Spring steels are normally formed at a harness that is close to the ulitimate hardness that can be achieved for that particular alloy, however they are NOT at the full hardness that can be achieved. Because of this it's completely normal for a compression spring to become slightly shorter when it's first cycled. This is where the term of a spring taking a "set" comes from. What happens is that as the spring is cycled it will increase in hardness slightly to it's ultimate hardness and because it's a compression spring, it will reduce it's length slightly as this happens. Once that fully work hardened state is achieved that "set" won't change until the spring approaches failure due to internal crack migration due to fatigue. Basically the process is as follows, initially a slight loss in length with a slight increas in compression strength, followed by a long period of stable length, then followed by a rapid decrease in free length leading up to complete failure. Note, this only happens as a result of cycling of the spring through compression/decompression cycles. Keep a compression spring compressed and it won't ever fail until it starts to corrode.
Hooke's law states thator, equivalently,
whereis a positive real number, characteristic of the spring. Moreover, the same formula holds when the spring is compressed, withandboth negative in that case. According to this formula, the graph of the applied forceas a function of the displacementwill be a straight line passing through the origin, whose slopw is.
Hooke's law for a spring is often stated under the convention thatis the restoring (reaction) force exerted by the spring on whatever is pulling its free end. In that case the equation becomes
since the direction of the restoring force is opposite to that of the displacement.
In plain English...
40 caliber
NES Member
Thanks, I went to school for business. I never learned French or whatever language that was
I swear that said "Obama." Been reading too much NES/TTAG/gun stuff...
I'm sorry but you're wrong. The net force on the spring is not zero if there is a constant force compressing it.
http://www.mubea.com/products-techn...ard-disc-springs/theory/relaxation-and-creep/
http://www.rockfordspring.com/relaxationofsprings.asp
http://www.lesjoforsab.com/technical-information/durability.asp
those are just the top three hits when you Google "spring relaxation"
Did you even read these links?
First link... all data is for disc springs, not coil.
Second link says...
1 or 2%? If that percentage is correct and not just margine of error, buy +5% springs for your mags and no problem. But then it presents data for spring wear at high temps, which isn't what we're talking about.
Third link says throughout when the spring is in the act of returning to a decompressed state is when the most damage is done.
So let me explain what Net Zero Force is since you didn't read what you linked. Spring pushes in one direction with force X. Bullets, which are held in place, push back with equal and opposite force -X. Add those two together X + (-X) and you get 0. No net force means no displacement means no wear on the spring.
Sorry. I'm a scientist, so claims without numbers to back them up won't sell me on them. Google some more. Please.
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I really don't want to argue with you because I have much better things to do. I work with a ton of springs on a daily basis at work and have seen spring relaxation first hand. If you don't want to believe spring relaxation and creep are real then all the power to you.
quoted from the second link:
"A spring held at a certain stress will actually relax more in a given time than a spring cycled between that stress and a lower stress. The reason is that it spends more time at the high stress."
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Hey, me too. I'm clicking a retractable pen while I type this. Have a great day.
Keep in mind, that the spring in an empty mag is not fully relaxed. There is always compression on the spring, so comparing the spring in a loaded mag to a fully relaxed spring is not really appropriate.
Yet it doesn't define "certain", "high", "low". Is "certain" overcompressing the spring to force it to wear and achieve the desired result to back the claim? Because anyone can use vague terms with no quantifiable data to back up claims to mask the actual facts.
Moonbats love that.
ToddDubya
NES Member
Uh oh, I saw people call cartridges "bullets"!!!!!1!!!1!!
Then again, To revisit the Biggie reference not only did he call them clips, he knew not to fill them too high because the bullets need room to breathe. Ergo what's good enough for Big Papa is good enough for me.
Disclaimer: I hate everyone who misuses clips and bullets. It's not good enough for me.
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Then again, To revisit the Biggie reference not only did he call them clips, he knew not to fill them too high because the bullets need room to breathe. Ergo what's good enough for Big Papa is good enough for me.
Disclaimer: I hate everyone who misuses clips and bullets. It's not good enough for me.
This message brought to you by the letter T and the number 9.
iofneedle
NES Member
This is a misuse:
Obviously it would not work in real life because of the different calibers...
iofneedle
NES Member
It was in 1997...not now
