Kimber not allowed in MA...why?

[Scrivener]

Why wouldn't a major distributor offer to buy some and submit them for destruction errrr I mean approval? Seems to me that if a gun were truly "compliant" of both the EOPS and the AG, it would be a worthy investment...

One dealer has - protracted groveling, including an offer to pay half the testing costs, has availed him naught.

 

[Scrivener]

The difference is that the gun market in California positively overwhelms that in Mass many times over.

I'm pretty sure gunmakers have figured out where they can make money and where they cannot.

Have you factored in the cost of YEARLY DESTRUCTION to stay on the CA list, as compared with on-for-life in MA? I doubt it.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Have you factored in the cost of YEARLY DESTRUCTION to stay on the CA list, as compared with on-for-life in MA? I doubt it.

I though that CA only required on test, plus forfeiture of one sample to the crown, and a $200/year fee per model to remain on the list - but no new test each year.

 

[z0mbi]

You forgot the manufacturers first born child.

 

[Weerd Beard]

Can you show us when that has ever happened?

Magazine disconnects have been in use in tens of thousands of police firearms. I haven't heard yet of a cop dying because of one.

Honestly, I don't care. I also can't show you where a mag disconect has saved a life.

I'll keep safty features down to the barest minimum, and use the 4 rules to keep us all safe, thanks.

 

[Jose]

Have you factored in the cost of YEARLY DESTRUCTION to stay on the CA list, as compared with on-for-life in MA? I doubt it.

No, but I bet Kimber has. Do you really think they do it despite losing money?

 

[clinotus]

I'm still pretty heated about the Taurus. Such a nice pistol...out of reach.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I know that there is some mis-info here and suspect that there is some that is also wrong.

- Testing: If done at the same time as CA, IIRC MA calls for one additional gun to be destroyed. Testing is essentially the same and most of the same labs are approved for both states. So cost of testing for MA is only marginally more than for CA if done together.

- CA requires an annual fee, whereas MA allows the model to remain on the EOPS List forever. IIRC, CA does not require annual retesting, just payment of a "licensing fee" annually.

- The whole problem with mfrs "kissing off MA" is the AG, since the AG will NOT "approve" any guns, many mfrs refuse to spin their wheels for naught.

- Back in 2002 I spoke directly with the VP of Sales for Taurus. He told me that they sent a team of attorneys to meet with the MA AG. After the meeting, the decided to kiss off MA due to the AG's position of "playing gotcha" . . . refusing to give guidance and clear standards to meet for approval. Taurus is so adamant that he told me that they don't even want guns shipped here for LE!

- I'm sure that you can extrapolate this info to many other fine gun mfrs out there in the free world.

 

[M1911]

I drop mag, show chamber empty, drop slide, drop hammer using decocker, flip decocker back to fire, and holster. Any questions?

Doesn't work if your gun doesn't have a decocker, does it? With them, you have to keep an empty mag with you, insert the empty mag, pull the trigger, then remove the magazine. PITA.

 

[Jose]

Doesn't work if your gun doesn't have a decocker, does it? With them, you have to keep an empty mag with you, insert the empty mag, pull the trigger, then remove the magazine. PITA.

I don't have one like that.

 

[M1911]

I don't have one like that.

S&W M&P. Browning Hi-Power

 

[FITH]

Sorry had to do it!

Yes the chamber is empty...!

 

[Big_Red]

Sorry had to do it!

Yes the chamber is empty...!

Oh sure, rub it in. You suck!

 

[FITH]

ya I do!

 

[FrankNA]

I know this thread is ancient but curious about the protocol for revolvers? I'd love to get my hands on the Kimber K6s 3" magnum. Why would a simple revolver require the same BS scrutiny as a semi auto?

 

[soam]

I know this thread is ancient but curious about the protocol for revolvers? I'd love to get my hands on the Kimber K6s 3" magnum. Why would a simple revolver require the same BS scrutiny as a semi auto?

Because the law applies to all "firearms", regardless of operating mechanism.

 

[Wickedcoolname]

If I was a gun maker I would not do any business with Massachusetts. I don't care how much money I'd be leaving on the table. If Massachusetts voters keep electing democrats and anti-2A politicians then they don't really want my guns.
Mass is a total loss. The conservatives are either outnumbered by the liberals or the conservative voters are not actually voting for conservatives.
Either way it's a lost cause.

 

[Len-2A Training]

If I was a gun maker I would not do any business with Massachusetts. I don't care how much money I'd be leaving on the table. If Massachusetts voters keep electing democrats and anti-2A politicians then they don't really want my guns.
Mass is a total loss. The conservatives are either outnumbered by the liberals or the conservative voters are not actually voting for conservatives.
Either way it's a lost cause.

There are no true conservatives to vote for in MA!!!

 

[whacko]

There are no true conservatives to vote for in MA!!!

And most democrats in mass run for their seats unopposed! The conservatives know it ain't worth the effort.

 

[Palladin]

Glock should not sell or service to any MA .gov agency.

That would actually be really good. Because 80% of the police departments in the Commonwealth use them

 

[M60]

My Kimbers are here in Ma. It's not that difficult.