Knife Ordinance

Uh oh! This boy's in trouble agin. I just measured my "don't leave home without it" (For over twenty years, I should point out), and it's 3"!

(Now, to be fair, I've had to deposit it with security at Middlesex Court House, the State House, and the Federal Court, and no one has given me any static about it.)
 
IANAL either. Maybe Boston doesn't prosecute their ordinance, but it
looks like Malden used their knife ordinance to hold this guy till they
secured him on another charge. I'm not planning on giving some cop
a reason to fish my pockets, but there's no way I want to have to
explain to a Chief that my suitability should not be affected by my
having violated some city's stupid knife ordinance. I quit carrying
knives after seeing these stories.



I don't think that Boston does or even can prosecute these city "by laws".

IANAL, but I'm not about to worry about them approving/disapproving my Swiss Army knife or my lockblade either!


The link is dead:
Malden cops nail alleged robbery suspect at T station
By Timothy J. Lavallee and Allison Morgan/ malden@cnc.com
Friday, June 17, 2005

Malden Police are being credited with nabbing one of the men believed to
be involved in an armored car heist in Boston Thursday which triggered
an hours-long, armed standoff in Edgeworth.

Dennis Quirk was arrested at the Malden Center MBTA stop Thursday
afternoon and charged with possession of a knife with a blade longer
than two inches. At the same time, Malden Police were joined by state
police and FBI agents in forming a safety perimeter around 311 Pearl St.

Residents in the normally quiet, but dense residential neighborhood
were asked to leave their homes or go and stay in their basements as
FBI agents were preparing to storm the house where one of the alleged
robbers was believe holed up. The Beebe School, several blocks away on
Pleasant Street, was also locked down to keep the kids safe.

The situation unfolded in the hours following a botched heist of a
Loomis, Fargo & Co. armored car in the North End section of Boston.

"We received information that this was going to happen and a number
of our detective units went to the area," Malden Police Chief Ken Coye
said of the armed standoff.

At some point a person left the house, and "that person was followed
for a short distance and he was arrested at the MBTA station (on the
knife charge)," Coye said. "Sgt. (Kevin) Molis was instrumental in
creating that knife ordinance."

Quirk was arraigned Friday morning in Malden District Court on the
charge of violating a city ordinance. He was released on personal
recognizance on that charge, but was immediately taken into federal
custody, according to Emily LaGrassa from the Middlesex District
Attorney's Office.

Also in federal custody is Jason Owens, Malden Police Chief Ken Coye
said. According to published reports, the FBI is looking for another
suspect.

"These guys here appear to be a group of people that are not new to
this," Coye said. "It may be kind of a lifestyle thing. The suspects are not
youngsters. They're at a point in their life where one would think they
would be working; that they would have a family." [continue]

An already tense scene grew more so as agents were preparing to storm
the house and apprehend one of the suspects who led investigators to
believe he was still in there. In addition to getting their man,
investigators were trying to ensure the safety of the hundreds of
onlookers.

Traffic was stopped for nearly 30 minutes at about 5:30 p.m. on the
very busy Highland Avenue. Foot traffic was also stopped and people out
for an evening stroll with their dogs were ordered by police to stop in
place. No one was allowed to cross Oakland Street at Highland Avenue,
and Pearl Street was barricaded at Medford Street.


Malden Police, including Coye, were carrying M4 Carbine semi-
automatic rifles, which gave the area the true feel of a war zone. For
many, it was the first time seeing such weapons in real life and
afterwards people were asking police about them.

"We have these weapons in the cruisers in the bosses' cars," Coye
said. Malden Police use these instead of shotguns.

"For the environments that we have, they're useless," Coye said of
the shotguns.

"Hopefully it sends a message of the type of firepower we have," he
added.

Without them, Coye said, Malden Police might have been out-gunned.
The suspects had high-powered weapons as well, including an AK-47, a
TEC-9 and a MAC 11 submachine gun with a silencer.

"Believe it or not, there are certain illegal rent-a-gun situations. They
have been in operation over the years," Coye said. "Those things are too
expensive really to buy."

Several residents said Thursday that they were aware that the FBI
was staking out the house for months as if it was common knowledge.

Please read the Observer on Friday, June 24 for more expanded
coverage.

http://www2.townonline.com/malden/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=270681

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greycar,

Unless you are some sort of badass, I wouldn't worry about what they did in Malden. They knew who and what they had and would have arrested him for spitting on the sidewalk if necessary to grab him until they could get enough evidence to really nail him.

The charge of carrying a knife in Malden >2" would never stick in court! 351 cities and towns, even the people who live in them don't have a clue what's in their by-laws/city ordinances!

My late Chief told me about some town ordinances that would shock most of the folks in my town if they knew about them. They are only selectively enforced when conditions require it, otherwise they are ignored.

It is my understanding (and this comes from LE channels) that the courts will refuse to hear cases on by-law infractions. They are civil fines, not criminal and they could clutter up the courts so that no criminal matters ever got in front of a judge. Thus if someone stands down the by-law and refuses to pay, if they are a non-resident the town really can't do much. If they are a resident, they might (in some cases) be able to tack on the fine and penalties to some municipal bill. Don't pay the bill and they put a lien on your property and could eventually take the property and sell it.
 
Phoenix said:
Uh oh! This boy's in trouble agin. I just measured my "don't leave home without it" (For over twenty years, I should point out), and it's 3"!

(Now, to be fair, I've had to deposit it with security at Middlesex Court House, the State House, and the Federal Court, and no one has given me any static about it.)
I've checked the 4" AFCK (or was it the Endura?) at the courthouse metal detector stand. No problem.
 
As far as I have seen, there is no state law on blade length, only type.

For city laws, they are civil infractions punishable by fines, and usualy enforced only with other infractions or laws.

My brother was stopped, he was 16 and had a friend with him in the car, which is a double offence. I was with him but he had dropped me off and then went to park the car. After he called me and I showed up all was clear. The officer searched him and found his kershwa spring assist (about 2.5"), he gave it back to him. THough the cop was young and nice, so that likely played a part.
 
Thanks for that update. I was quite sure there were no length limits in Mass state law and that the original message didn't mention a specific city or town, but state law.
 
Lawrence ban on long knives

"LAWRENCE -- To counter what city leaders say are loopholes in state law
that have stymied efforts to curb knife-related crimes, Lawrence has adopted
a ban on long-bladed knives.

SNIP

Peabody, Lynn, Salem, and other cities have similar ordinances. In Salem,
police said the bylaw was enacted more than 10 years ago.

''We enforce it heavily," said Salem police Lieutenant Conrad
Prosniewski. ''Anyone who gets caught carrying a knife with more than a 2
1/2-inch blade does get charged. I see it in court two, three times a week."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ar...es_to_cut_crime_with_city_ban_on_long_knives/
 
Coyote33 said:
Thanks for that update. I was quite sure there were no length limits in Mass state law and that the original message didn't mention a specific city or town, but state law.

Actually, I sort of take that back. I think there might be a length limit, but it is maybe 4 or 5 inches. Again, I'm not sure here, but pretty sure it is more than 3 1/2.
 
Massachusetts general law Chapter 269: Section 10.


Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction.
 
Knife laws in Mass. Yeah, I've seen those ignored before by other folks. Something about an Ontario SP-6 knife, double edged.

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