They are probably figuring a new go around.We're not happy about a training requirement.
We're happy the Staties, who tried to put up a moratorium on new LTCs for the indefinite future, have backed grudgingly down.
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They are probably figuring a new go around.We're not happy about a training requirement.
We're happy the Staties, who tried to put up a moratorium on new LTCs for the indefinite future, have backed grudgingly down.
They are probably figuring a new go around.
Small victories add up take it to themAmazing. We will pick apart this abortion of a law piece by piece.
The speed with which the state police backed down is clear indication of spanking he got from his legal teamAs they were, HOWEVER, none of this language in the new notice says anything about if a person can't get their appointment and application submitted prior to law going into affect. So instructors in good conscience should have to think twice about taking someone's money for a class knowing they likely won't be able to use that cert. So may not be much of a win as of right now. Maybe that will change with future notices from them.
Money not spent on this is well spent elsewhere.I kinda want Comm2a to stay away from talks with the State. Let it get to court in its entirety. You know this is just a time out till they do the really bad stuff. This is like helping the State in this situation they caused themselves. Let’s get the whole thing tossed in a court of law !
I kinda want Comm2a to stay away from talks with the State. Let it get to court in its entirety. You know this is just a time out till they do the really bad stuff. This is like helping the State in this situation they caused themselves. Let’s get the whole thing tossed in a court of law !
Classes as they were. No new stuff has been added to the approved curriculum from MSP yet.
I highly doubt that anything is going to get done in any "state reasonable" amount of time. The MSP has better things to do with their time right now than try to implement a new LTC training program. I'm guessing and hoping this will be just like any other great idea that requires more work from a state funded corrupt organization. That it will be yessed to death and then forgotten about over time.I think the big question is will MSP create their own class curriculum, or will they take some subset of the 20 or so classes that they currently have approved, and add the suicide, de-escalation, laws, etc as additional modules?
I mean, NRA BHFS is supposed to be 4 hrs, plus the hour long GOAL law primer.. If you add GOAL's suicide video is another 10 min or so.. will the other modules add hours to the class? Do the 8-hour classes turn to 10 hr, or 2 day?
and if they do create their own curriculum, who will be training the instructors? how much will it cost? How long will that take? etc...
I highly doubt that anything is going to get done in any "state reasonable" amount of time. The MSP has better things to do with their time right now than try to implement a new LTC training program. I'm guessing and hoping this will be just like any other great idea that requires more work from a state funded corrupt organization. That it will be yessed to death and then forgotten about over time.
LTC training is back on until either the MSP gets their stuff together on the new law or other interventions occur. Comm2A's attorney was discussing details with the AGs office today and further announcements will be forthcoming. PDs will be noticed via EOPSS, most likely next week.
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Sounds like a classic case of “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it“ and then they pass it with no comprehension of what it even means or how it’s gonna affect anything retardsoh yeah. That is a great win for both the student and instructors.All because the state can't get their shit together both students and instructors should be out time and/or money.
There are many laws that are ignored or selectively enforced. The 40 day maximum on LTC applications being the one everyone knows about.Sounds like a classic case of “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it“ and then they pass it with no comprehension of what it even means or how it’s gonna affect anything retards
But they passed the law , but it won’t be enforced? That’s not how laws work.
That one really gets me like they refuse to take your application to don’t allowed to do that like Holyoke for example wouldn’t even accept your application for a machine gun license… they have to accept it. You shouldn’t need a scheduled appointment or anything you just drop it off.There are many laws that are ignored or selectively enforced. The 40 day maximum on LTC applications being the one everyone knows about.
Per the language of the bill it does.I'm thinking the same thing; actually, I think this reversal basically gives them a permanent "grace period" to trot this new curriculum out.
My opinion is that the State Police were not in the loop at the end of this new law negotiations. And when it hit they were caught flat footed now finding out they had a new process to implement.I'm thinking the same thing; actually, I think this reversal basically gives them a permanent "grace period" to trot this new curriculum out.
They knew exactly what was in it.Sounds like a classic case of “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it“ and then they pass it with no comprehension of what it even means or how it’s gonna affect anything retards
But they passed the law , but it won’t be enforced? That’s not how laws work.
Right on the money. If they can get GOAL and Comm2A to spend lawsuit money on readily resolvable bullshit issues (that cost the state nothing to address) instead of the really big Constitutional issues, then that's a big win for the state.The cynic in me says they intentionally loaded this with crappy elements they knew we would want to challenge soon. Each case costs time and money. They can keep dropping or revising. Each case eats up the war chest and puts time on the clock. Low hanging fruit for us or really for them to distract us from going after the big issues?
Maybe I’ve just watched too many episodes of Suits?
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Their position is that they will have the stuff ready for the 10/23 date.Will there be a second lawsuit to force the state to accept the existing courses until the new curriculum is available and instructors have enough time to implement it? If not, we’ll have the same problem again on 10/23, right?
Or do I misunderstand the SP’s new position?
Their position is that they will have the stuff ready for the 10/23 date.
No doubt. They can make the training so difficult, expensive and abusive that a good number of people will fail or not even bother. That will be the follow-up lawsuit.If they can manage that, I'll be really, really impressed.
That's not entirely true. If they can manage that and not put out absolute garbage, I'll be impressed.
I can totally see slapping together something that is impossible to comply with or doesn't even meet the letter of the law, wiping their hands, and saying, "well, that's done."
I suspect Comm2A agrees with you, but this wasn't up to them: the Staties backed down, and in the process mooted the lawsuit and removed the need to go to court.
There are two sides in any war, and they both get a say. But there's no possibility that "the whole thing" will get tossed out all at once. That's not the way this
Or how about during Covid when you could legally mail your LTC application to the colonel of the state police and he’s like no I’m not doing thatThere are many laws that are ignored or selectively enforced. The 40 day maximum on LTC applications being the one everyone knows about.
Funny, I’m watching that now as I read this.Maybe I’ve just watched too many episodes of Suits?
If so, it's VERY instructive that their immediate impulse was let's stop it all! NOW!My opinion is that the State Police were not in the loop at the end of this new law negotiations. And when it hit they were caught flat footed now finding out they had a new process to implement.