LTC training is restored for now

Maura probably told MSP to back off - they wouldn't want us to have our day in court to shoot down their bill before most of it even takes effect 🤣
Yes, they quickly realized they would lose easily on this one.

But, only because they fear the big stick and not residents anger.
 
LTC training is back on until either the MSP gets their stuff together on the new law or other interventions occur. Comm2A's attorney was discussing details with the AGs office today and further announcements will be forthcoming. PDs will be noticed via EOPSS, most likely next week.



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Done
 
If so, it's VERY instructive that their immediate impulse was let's stop it all! NOW!

That’s the goal of the entire bill. They pushed through everything that they could think of to make it harder on law abiding to exercise their “constitutionally protected” rights. They got Al ost their entire dream list in this one bill.
 
That’s the goal of the entire bill. They pushed through everything that they could think of to make it harder on law abiding to exercise their “constitutionally protected” rights. They got Al ost their entire dream list in this one bill.

That's the legislature. That's expected.

This? This was the MSP. And there are still some posters here more than willing to lick those jackboots. MSP's choice this week should be instructive for those Thin Blue Liners around here.
 
My opinion is that the State Police were not in the loop at the end of this new law negotiations. And when it hit they were caught flat footed now finding out they had a new process to implement.
No one was in the loop except for Heil Healy and her directives to the State Reps and Senators.
 
That's the legislature. That's expected.

This? This was the MSP. And there are still some posters here more than willing to lick those jackboots. MSP's choice this week should be instructive for those Thin Blue Liners around here.

One would think. They were so excited they couldn’t wait until the law actually went into effect to trample the rights of gun owners to be.
 
The speed with which the state police backed down is clear indication of spanking he got from his legal team
City level chiefs are being informed to tow the line to limit our ability to get cases to an injunction before the law actually takes effect.
I turned in my renewal for my green card yesterday. They specifically asked if it was a renewal, even though the form clearly states that.

Felt pretty certain the way he phrased the question that he wouldn't have taken it if it was a new application.
 
I kinda want Comm2a to stay away from talks with the State. Let it get to court in its entirety. You know this is just a time out till they do the really bad stuff. This is like helping the State in this situation they caused themselves. Let’s get the whole thing tossed in a court of law !
No choice. If they choose not to fight, we can't make them fight. May as well fix the problem then.
 
Not "until realistically feasable..." but "until the effective date of t he new law".
I take it Comm2A @ co have plans in case they try to turn things into a shitshow at the 11th hour come October?
That's the legislature. That's expected.

This? This was the MSP. And there are still some posters here more than willing to lick those jackboots. MSP's choice this week should be instructive for those Thin Blue Liners around here.
The fun thing is the new law still has LE exemptions but covertly throws them under the bus on ALL sales from MA dealers. It would be delicious if somebody goes to the LE union fags and says "We f***ing told you so. We told you they'd eventually throw you guys at least under a couple wheels on the bus but you didn't listen. Cooperation with RKBA folks likely would have yielded a better outcome for all involved ". It's obvious those union hack/shit chief people are tone deaf and selfish, EG "instead of trying to delete the us vs them mentality you made it worse, and you made decent cops look like shit by proxy. Way to go. "
 
The state police knew that even a Mass judge wouldn't be able to white wash their actions - there would be an injunction and that would open the entire new licensing scheme to a Bruen review (read footnote 9)

That said, because any permit-
ting scheme can be put toward abusive ends, we do not rule out constitu-
tional challenges to shall-issue regimes where, for example, lengthy wait
times in processing license applications or exorbitant fees deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry.

There is little question that the current licensing scheme exceeds this threshold let alone the new one.
 
Got the email. Please explain:

After getting the carve outs I wonder how is MSP is the first agency to “Defy” the Healy admin? They only kowtowed til 10/23 which is according to the written law’s enactment anyways. Therefore they are doing nothing special in reality.
 
I’ve been watching the Bill The Kid series on Prime, what he dealt with in Lincoln County, New Mexico as far as the corrupt lawmen, judges, attorneys General and Governor sounds just like Massachusetts 2024. And we are the Regulators ! It’s ironic the cheating, half truths and behind the scenes plotting going on with OUR STATE GOVERNMENT.
 
Got the email. Please explain:

After getting the carve outs I wonder how is MSP is the first agency to “Defy” the Healy admin? They only kowtowed til 10/23 which is according to the written law’s enactment anyways. Therefore they are doing nothing special in reality.
Basically instead of going full retard they're just going regular retard. The situation that existed prior to this action taken place was literally what probably amounted to months of nobody being able to get a new license. The obstructionist intent was obvious in the sense of like oh hey we can block all these people trying to get guns in the run up to the election and so on.... these apparatchik f***heads know that every time they f*** up they sell a million guns, and q huge portion of buyers are new gun owners, so this was like a limp wristed attempt at trying to limit that effect.
 
Got the email. Please explain:

After getting the carve outs I wonder how is MSP is the first agency to “Defy” the Healy admin? They only kowtowed til 10/23 which is according to the written law’s enactment anyways. Therefore they are doing nothing special in reality.

Exactly. I pointed this out in some other thread, or maybe this one.

"Defy" gives them too much credit, though as I sit here and think about it I can imagine a few ways to spin that in our favor. But in reality, MSP didn't defy anything but the Constitution.

Turds.
 
Got the email. Please explain:

After getting the carve outs I wonder how is MSP is the first agency to “Defy” the Healy admin? They only kowtowed til 10/23 which is according to the written law’s enactment anyways. Therefore they are doing nothing special in reality.
That wasn't a Comm2A quote.

The law has both an 8-1 and the 90 days after adoption date.

Comm2A targeted the discontinuity represented here with the law not being effective until 90 days after signing, but having an arbitrary date of 8-1 which couldn't possibly stand since the State Police need some amount of time to complete the class, certify the instructors, create the administration and distribution system for the certificates to the students who take the certified class, etc.

This means that LTC applications would have been on hold for an indeterminate amount of time. Since a right delayed is a right denied, and Bruen said you can have a universal license system (Constitutional carry) or a shall issue license system, a system that is a zero issue system for any significant length of time is an infringement that cannot stand. (An example of a system that might stand, although it would still be an infringement, would be a situation where they needed to update a system so LTC applications couldn't be processed for 24-48 hours or similar. This would be an infringement, but one the courts would likely find to be a minimal infringement, and allow to stand.
 
That wasn't a Comm2A quote.

The law has both an 8-1 and the 90 days after adoption date.

Comm2A targeted the discontinuity represented here with the law not being effective until 90 days after signing, but having an arbitrary date of 8-1 which couldn't possibly stand since the State Police need some amount of time to complete the class, certify the instructors, create the administration and distribution system for the certificates to the students who take the certified class, etc.

This means that LTC applications would have been on hold for an indeterminate amount of time. Since a right delayed is a right denied, and Bruen said you can have a universal license system (Constitutional carry) or a shall issue license system, a system that is a zero issue system for any significant length of time is an infringement that cannot stand. (An example of a system that might stand, although it would still be an infringement, would be a situation where they needed to update a system so LTC applications couldn't be processed for 24-48 hours or similar. This would be an infringement, but one the courts would likely find to be a minimal infringement, and allow to stand.
Duly noted that quote was from GOAl.
 
Got the email. Please explain:

After getting the carve outs I wonder how is MSP is the first agency to “Defy” the Healy admin? They only kowtowed til 10/23 which is according to the written law’s enactment anyways. Therefore they are doing nothing special in reality.

At least they stopped enforcing the law before it went into effect…./s
 
Guess I’m done. No range will let me train and I will not certify someone just so they need to take a course in a few years. I am so out of this state soon
Interesting you can’t apply for an LTC in your town of business anymore.
 
Guess I’m done. No range will let me train and I will not certify someone just so they need to take a course in a few years. I am so out of this state soon
I'm not teaching any BFS courses on the basis that the student would have to take another course in 6 years. It's unfair to the student and myself.
 
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