MA Compliant Storage?

[snax]

Your peers might get the following instructions:
http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/cou...000-9999/7630-improper-storage-of-firearm.pdf

"...it was secured adequately to deter all but the most persistent persons from gaining access"

So according to this definition, I don't need to lock up my stuff in a container because my 4 kids are probably 10x more persistent than any criminal trying to rob me.

 

[fishgutzy]

If the police can break it open with a sledge hammer and sawzall it is not compliant.

 

[MisterHappy]

The scary part is that language about "Most persistent" is not in the language of the MGLs.

So....where, oh where does that come from?

 

[Len-2A Training]

The scary part is that language about "Most persistent" is not in the language of the MGLs.

So....where, oh where does that come from?

It comes from a judge's ruling in an appellate case.

 

[MisterHappy]

I knew it was from a court case; it was somewhat rhetorical (though thanks for the cite).

My point is that "law" magically grows. You follow whats plainly and clearly written, and, it turns out that it isn't enough.

 

[Squire]

What hell does that mean, "most persistent persons". They use a tool? explosives? murder you to steal the keys?

Your peers might get the following instructions:
"and whether under all the circumstances it was secured adequately to deter all but the most persistent persons from gaining access."


http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/cou...000-9999/7630-improper-storage-of-firearm.pdf

 

[E.Stoner]

Waitaminute! Mass storage gun regulations are vague and open to wide interpretation!? I am shocked!
Good day sir! I said good day!

 

[amm5061]

The takeaway from the Fleury case is that basically no matter what you do, if they want to buy you a railroad ticket bad enough, you're gonna be riding the train eventually.

 

[Len-2A Training]

The takeaway from the Fleury case is that basically no matter what you do, if they want to buy you a railroad ticket bad enough, you're gonna be riding the train eventually.

So sadly true in MA.

 

[GM-GUY]

You would think a monitored whole house alarm (with siren) would do in that case - but I'm betting it wouldn't.

 

[Coyote33]

I would be leery of a gun cabinet that could be thwarted by this.

I could make an amazing argument that hidden is just as good as, if not better than, "locked." But will it hold up in court? Not sure. Sorta afraid to try it out despite the odds of having it be a problem approaching those of me winning the lottery WITHOUT buying a ticket.

I am not concerned about theft, except theft from the state. I wanted to know if it meets the letter of the law. (Yes, the wooden box with locks would be hidden.)

]Uzi2, post: 5732008, member: 63237"]The next subject on the list to be taught to these mindless fools should be "Penalties for conspiracy to deny one's constitutionally protected rights"......and not in the vein of skin color, race or religion, but in the vein of the 2nd amendment.

And, every school official that has a hand in this ridiculous endeavor should be brought up on charges of said conspiracy for initiating it in the first place.

Good luck with that!

 

[jayhitek]

I was wondering if a custom built box, made of plywood and 2x4's, with hinged lid, hasps, and padlocks would be OK.

How does one find this out, other than "the bad way"?

I built a plywood box on a shelf with a lock and hidden hinges for storing ammo over stock and just misc gun parts..
I have been wondering since I built it if it's legal or not. And if it is supposed to be made of metal.. I guess if there is a fire, that box is going down first.

 

[Rat187]

Most cops carry 'Halligan's'....I can testify to what they can open

 

[Whutmeworry]

Of all the gratuitous, ill-intended anti gun laws in this sh*thole of a commiewealth it is this storage law that IMHO most desperately needs to be forwarded to SCOTUS so that it can be struck down. I can't see where it would be anything other than a slam-dunk were that to happen, at least with the current make-up of the court.

 

[76Too]

SUPER inconspicuous too...

'nope, no guns in here' :/

 

[ggboy]

Most cops carry 'Halligan's'....I can testify to what they can open

What is a "halogen? A crowbar?, Please pm me ..ggboy

 

[amm5061]

What is a "halogen? A crowbar?, Please pm me ..ggboy

It's a cross between a crowbar and a pick axe. Basically an instrument of serious destruction.

 

[Rat187]

It's a cross between a crowbar and a pick axe. Basically an instrument of serious destruction.

To be a little more precise, massive leverage....Examples of various types of Halligan tools below

https://www.amazon.com/halligan-tool/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i:aps,k:halligan tool

 

[Coyote33]

What is a "halogen? A crowbar?, Please pm me ..ggboy

It's a cross between a crowbar and a pick axe. Basically an instrument of serious destruction.

To be a little more precise, massive leverage....Examples of various types of Halligan tools below

https://www.amazon.com/halligan-tool/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i:aps,k:halligan tool

FOUND IT (CLICK)




;-)

 

[Hardwired]

I built a plywood box on a shelf with a lock and hidden hinges for storing ammo over stock and just misc gun parts..
I have been wondering since I built it if it's legal or not. And if it is supposed to be made of metal.. I guess if there is a fire, that box is going down first.

Let's see, Wally World puts it locked non-bulletproof glass cabinet with cheesy lock, Cabelas and LGS have it on open shelves and lock the doors when they close up shop. Kids roaming the aisles all day long in the big box stores.

Yours is in a locked cabinet. Maybe toss it in locked ammo cans to organize for good measure. Do you lock your doors when your away?

Any vague law like this should be thrown out. It's used to manufacture law abiding excercising a right into criminals because leftist twisted ideology that does not believe the peasants should have this right, period.

Nice cabinet btw!

 

[Hardwired]

Where does this fall under persistent?

 

[Sevenrats]

Any lock can be defeated. All locks do is remove temptation from honest people and slow down dishonest people. If you want to get into a house, you can go right through the wall with a hammer and crowbar with enough time.

 

[Sevenrats]

Where does this fall under persistent?

Ummmm, Glass side lights might be a bit easier.

 

[Varmint]

I have a box full of cable type gun locks that were provided by the West Palm Beach Fl. P.D. through some kind of program. They can be cut with an ordinary pair of lineman's pliers with out much difficulty by a 10 yr old . I don't use them unless I'm buying a used firearm someplace , I'll take 1 along with me so I don't have to buy 1 to do the transfer.

Why do you need a lock to do a transfer? Unless you park the car and walk away, don't think you need it.

 

[PL-52]

Why do they always try to sell me one when I buy a used firearm? Not specifically when I do any transfer but I bring one anyway. Cause it Mass and itz gunz

 

[PL-52]

Any lock can be defeated. All locks do is remove temptation from honest people and slow down dishonest people. If you want to get into a house, you can go right through the wall with a hammer and crowbar with enough time.

With the right blade and a small amount of time and noise I can get through any residential wall with this bad girl.

 

[42!]

Is a pistol that has been field stripped considered "safe storage"?

I can hardly wait to hear NES's thoughts on this.

 

[Varmint]

Why do they always try to sell me one when I buy a used firearm? Not specifically when I do any transfer but I bring one anyway. Cause it Mass and itz gunz

For home storage I assume. Trigger lock isn't good enough for a car anyway.

 

[amm5061]

Is a pistol that has been field stripped considered "safe storage"?

I can hardly wait to hear NES's thoughts on this.

Good question. I suspect it's not good enough and if they wanted to jam you up, they totally could. Now if the frame had a trigger lock....

 

[Buck F]

What is your question?

Is it Mass Compliant? Who knows? There was recently a case, where a guy was jammed up because the locked containers were "flimsy," and could be pried open.

PRM FTW!!!!

It looks like the guy was acquitted on the storage charge.