MA Gun Laws

[42!]

Oh god I can't believe I'm saying this again.... THERE IS NO REGISTRATION IN MA.

 

[bos_vet]

Oh god I can't believe I'm saying this again.... THERE IS NO REGISTRATION IN MA.

So an EFA-10 is sufficient to transfer from Person B to Person A? Even if he does not currently have a MA Drivers License? (but active LTC)

 

[Matt_SERE]

Oh god I can't believe I'm saying this again.... THERE IS NO mandatory REGISTRATION IN MA.

Elsewhere in this forum. Look for Len.

FA-10 forms for previously owned guns

What year did the FA-10 form start to be required? Hypothetically, if someone has some guns that were that were purchased in Massachusetts 35 years ago by a parent (just a federal slip was filled out by the dealer, if I recall) and then given to a son 30 years ago, is the son in compliance...

www.northeastshooters.com

 

[bos_vet]

Elsewhere in this forum. Look for Len.

FA-10 forms for previously owned guns

What year did the FA-10 form start to be required? Hypothetically, if someone has some guns that were that were purchased in Massachusetts 35 years ago by a parent (just a federal slip was filled out by the dealer, if I recall) and then given to a son 30 years ago, is the son in compliance...

www.northeastshooters.com

Thanks, Matt_SERE. So back to my original set of questions, It boils down to really Questions 1.) and 3.)

1.) Can Person B EFA-10 the handguns to Person A under his current and active MA LTC?
2.) Does Person B have to register those handguns prior to EFA-10 (if able)?
3.) Does Person B have to wait until he has a MA Drivers License again before conducting any of the steps above?
4.) Can Person B just give handguns to Person A to register under Person A's name absent a EFA-10
5.) Since purchased outside of state, is any registration required from any party?

And as a refresh:
Here are our assumptions:
Person A is living in MA, has a MA-LTC Unrestricted
Person B is not living in MA and is a resident of another state, still has residency in MA (Owns a house), and still has valid MA LTC


Person B is moving back and wants to transfer some of what he owns to Person A. Let's just say it's a few handguns including an elusive glock that he hates the grip on but Person A loves...

Person B is driving back into MA from his out of state location back to the same address that his LTC is under. Those firearms were purchased outside of MA that he wants to give to Person A.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Thanks, Matt_SERE. So back to my original set of questions, It boils down to really Questions 1.) and 3.)

1. Yes. (Assumes it's a Resident LTC)
3. No.

 

[Len-2A Training]

So an EFA-10 is sufficient to transfer from Person B to Person A? Even if he does not currently have a MA Drivers License? (but active LTC)

Where in MGL does it REQUIRE a DL to obtain an FID or LTC?

Believe it or not, plenty of people go thru life without a DL. It might be due to medical issues or perhaps they just don't need/want it.

Some PDs may demand it, but some demand all sorts of things that aren't backed up in MGL.

Bottom line in MA is that as long as two people have active MA Resident LTCs (and both have real residences in MA) they transfer guns on eFA-10 and done.

Thanks, Matt_SERE. So back to my original set of questions, It boils down to really Questions 1.) and 3.)

See above.

Also, prior registration or not is totally irrelevant. And if you bother to read some of the stickies in the MA Gun Law subforum or in my training sub-forum, you might learn some useful info about MA gun laws and what you can and can not do legally in the gulag.

 

[bos_vet]

Thanks for the guidance. I did read the sub stickies but didn’t find any that addressed dual residencies—they mostly concerned with moving INTO MA from other states without having a pre existing and active LTC yet different license from another state.

 

[42!]

Oh god I can't believe I'm saying this again.... THERE IS NO mandatory REGISTRATION IN MA.

Elsewhere in this forum. Look for Len.

FA-10 forms for previously owned guns

What year did the FA-10 form start to be required? Hypothetically, if someone has some guns that were that were purchased in Massachusetts 35 years ago by a parent (just a federal slip was filled out by the dealer, if I recall) and then given to a son 30 years ago, is the son in compliance...

www.northeastshooters.com

Nope, there is no registration.
The eFA-10 is a transaction record, when it's required makes a lot more sense if you remember that.
Also, getting comfortable with calling it a registration will only make it easier for them when they push for registration. Don't enable that.

 

[Matt_SERE]

Nope, there is no registration.
The eFA-10 is a transaction record, when it's required makes a lot more sense if you remember that.
Also, getting comfortable with calling it a registration will only make it easier for them when they push for registration. Don't enable that.

.Gov is already using the term and is on the form. It is voluntary.

 

[42!]

.Gov is already using the term and is on the form. It is voluntary.


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you have a link to that, I want to express my displeasure to them directly. my comment stands, there is no registration, the FA-10 was and is, by law, a transaction tracking system. we should not stand by as they push to normalize registration

 

[Matt_SERE]

you have a link to that, I want to express my displeasure to them directly. my comment stands, there is no registration, the FA-10 was and is, by law, a transaction tracking system. we should not stand by as they push to normalize registration

Did you think we were all talking out our ass? Don't answer that!
It has been that way for a long, long time. I was asked 30+ years ago if I wanted to register anything when I came back to MA. The only thing discussed with the licensing officer was that I may own something that used 10+ rds in the magazine. This was in the days of LTC-A and LTC-B.

https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/action/home?app_context=home&app_action=presentTrans

 

[42!]

Did you think we were all talking out our ass? Don't answer that!
It has been that way for a long, long time. I was asked 30+ years ago if I wanted to register anything when I came back to MA. The only thing discussed with the licensing officer was that I may own something that used 10+ rds in the magazine. This was in the days of LTC-A and LTC-B.

https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/action/home?app_context=home&app_action=presentTrans

I was an FFL and MA dealer in the days of paper FA-10s. It wasn't a registration then and it isn't now. When they first pushed for it the argument was it wasn't a registration. I don't care that the sheep started following along and called it a registration. It wasn't and still isn't. Going along with their attempt to put a registration in place outside the law, and eventually "normalize" the idea, is just another way to see our rights trashed. How can we win back our rights when people voluntarily give then away.

 

[Matt_SERE]

I was an FFL and MA dealer in the days of paper FA-10s. It wasn't a registration then and it isn't now. When they first pushed for it the argument was it wasn't a registration. I don't care that the sheep started following along and called it a registration. It wasn't and still isn't. Going along with their attempt to put a registration in place outside the law, and eventually "normalize" the idea, is just another way to see our rights trashed. How can we win back our rights when people voluntarily give then away.

Absolutely agree. But 'registering' has nothing to do with FFL's in MA. It is an unfortunate choice that has been offered by the state.gov to the gun owner. When the E-FA10 became the norm, it was discussed here on NES. This may be why it flew under your radar.
You gotta love how it is the second section listed. S/
Cheers. Matt.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I was an FFL and MA dealer in the days of paper FA-10s. It wasn't a registration then and it isn't now. When they first pushed for it the argument was it wasn't a registration. I don't care that the sheep started following along and called it a registration. It wasn't and still isn't. Going along with their attempt to put a registration in place outside the law, and eventually "normalize" the idea, is just another way to see our rights trashed. How can we win back our rights when people voluntarily give then away.

You can continue tilting at windmills, but the GCA of 1998 codified the use of the term "registration". Here's your proof . . . a scan of the 10/98 revision of the paper FA-10 and the instructions that went with it.

 

[42!]

You can continue tilting at windmills, but the GCA of 1998 codified the use of the term "registration". Here's your proof . . . a scan of the 10/98 revision of the paper FA-10 and the instructions that went with it.

What would I do if I wasn't tilting at windmills, it's all I got left.

 

[For Sale]

Coming back to handgun ownership this past year for the 1st time since 1999 and wow, things have changed. Some for the better maybe and some is getting ridiculous.
At 1st the Mass law about direct control in your vehicle kind of seemed intrusive to me but the real thing I agree with is you can't just leave it in the glove compartment or whatever in the car. My thought is it gets broken into and there goes your gun to the bad boys market.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Coming back to handgun ownership this past year for the 1st time since 1999 and wow, things have changed. Some for the better maybe and some is getting ridiculous.
At 1st the Mass law about direct control in your vehicle kind of seemed intrusive to me but the real thing I agree with is you can't just leave it in the glove compartment or whatever in the car. My thought is it gets broken into and there goes your gun to the bad boys market.

And how is this different from if they just take the whole locking case?

 

[Coyote33]

Massachusetts Gun Laws in the news:

Gun violence cited in call to revisit state laws - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News

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whdh.com

Gun Violence Cited In Call To Revisit State Laws

Resolving to "show up" for youth and bolster safety for all Massachusetts communities, about two dozen gun violence prevention activists gathered outside the State House Thursday demanding that elected leaders pass stronger gun control laws to crack down on what they described as a public health...

www.statehousenews.com

Massachusetts lawmakers eye ghost gun regulation as Second Amendment activists challenge other state laws - MASSterList

Happening Today: 10:30 a.m. | Sens. Joni Ernst and Jeanne Shaheen are panelists at the Kennedy Senate Institute's third "Senate Project" event that aims to bring back a "culture of consensus" through bipartisan conversation. | Kennedy Institute, Columbia Point, Dorchester 11 a.m. | Massachusetts...

massterlist.com

Supreme Court rules against a man who was given 27 years in prison for having a gun

The three liberal justices wrote in dissent that the decision produces “bizarre outcomes” and “disturbing results.”

www.westernmassnews.com

Gun violence prevention rally held at State House

A rally against gun violence was held Thursday as several organizations spoke at the State House for gun violence awareness month.

www.wcvb.com

 

[Ajl2021]

Bill Hd.4420

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD4420

 

[42!]

I hate the way they do these remove line, add line, BS. Its designed to confuse and obfuscate what it actually does. I like the NH system where they put in the entire law, striking out what they want removed and adding bold what them want to put in.

If someone puts together a before and after of the law I'd love to see it, don't think I have the time or patience to do it, really need to put my time into convincing my kids to get the hell out of MA.

 

[CWulf]

I hate the way they do these remove line, add line, BS. Its designed to confuse and obfuscate what it actually does. I like the NH system where they put in the entire law, striking out what they want removed and adding bold what them want to put in.

If someone puts together a before and after of the law I'd love to see it, don't think I have the time or patience to do it, really need to put my time into convincing my kids to get the hell out of MA.

The main item appears to be a total ban on 'Assault-Style' weapons. As you would expect, there is a thread on this.

An act to modernize gun Laws

Get ready cause here it comes. https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD4420?fbclid=IwAR02abd-l-pELv0M-HL66laTXHeHiyrzN0kMxgNmjSKp2LFQlIxc9oEummw If this passes, which it probably will the second amendment in Ma will be destroyed

www.northeastshooters.com

 

[Mtn_Guy]

Massachusetts: Commonwealth Proposes Unprecedented Sweeping Gun Control

This week, Massachusetts politicians put forth HD 4420, “an act modernizing firearm laws.” This massive piece of legislation re-writes gun laws in the Commonwealth

speak4.app

 

[Coyote33]

But Picton says he sees no reason why things will get "dramatically worse":

THIS, though, is precisely what I do not see.
...
Time will tell. ... I don't see any logical reason why, in time, things will get dramatically worse.

Gov. Maura Healey pledges to push for strong gun laws in Massachusetts

How are they ANY different from the rabidly anti-2A MA legislature we had last term? Oh, please. I know you are smarter than that. Do I really have to explain it to you? :(

www.northeastshooters.com

 

[Picton]

But Picton says he sees no reason why things will get "dramatically worse":

Gov. Maura Healey pledges to push for strong gun laws in Massachusetts

How are they ANY different from the rabidly anti-2A MA legislature we had last term? Oh, please. I know you are smarter than that. Do I really have to explain it to you? :(

www.northeastshooters.com

Wake me when it happens. Talk is cheap, but it’s worked for Healy before. She can “pledge” whatever she wants.

ETA: I’ve also said, MANY times, that I’d be perfectly fine with Healy going full Hochul. Since that would crank up the boil time on the frog and get all this to SCOTUS even faster.

We’ll win, eventually. I’ve said that many times, too.

 

[inerlogic]

just for calibration... i've been away from visiting the forum regularly for a couple years, how many other times in the past 5yrs or so has shite like this come up?

 

[drgrant]

just for calibration... i've been away from visiting the forum regularly for a couple years, how many other times in the past 5yrs or so has shite like this come up?

every session

but usually its typically garbage linstain bills, not bills where the speaker is rubbing one out over it.

 

[jiminiecrickets]

Bill Hd.4420

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD4420

Thank you for this link. After speaking directly with my Massachusetts State Rep and Senator or their staff about HD 4420, they don't appear to know or have a basic understanding of what's contained in the bill - not to mention a basic mechanical understanding how firearms work.

 

[bigbravehog]

Thank you for this link. After speaking directly with my Massachusetts State Rep and Senator or their staff about HD 4420, they don't appear to know or have a basic understanding of what's contained in the bill - not to mention a basic mechanical understanding how firearms work.

Most of them do not

 

[Coyote33]

Bill Hd.4420

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD4420

It is still just a document, not yet a bill. Just a quick reminder there.

I hate the way they do these remove line, add line, BS. Its designed to confuse and obfuscate what it actually does. I like the NH system where they put in the entire law, striking out what they want removed and adding bold what them want to put in.

I've seen it done that way before in MA also.

If someone puts together a before and after of the law I'd love to see it, don't think I have the time or patience to do it, really need to put my time into convincing my kids to get the hell out of MA.

I thought someone did that over in the main 4420 thread. Maybe go ask there.

 

[42!]

I thought someone did that over in the main 4420 thread. Maybe go ask there.

Ya, my post was from June 26, since then YES it has been done., And thanks to those that did it.