MA Non Resident Hunters

[Bodhisattva]

With this new law, Non Residents can not hunt with a Semi Auto or large capacity rifle or shotgun.

Section 129L is where that can be found.

 

[peterk123]

I'm pretty sure that was never an option, even for a resident.

 

[42!]

You'll have to register your gun with MA

 

[Pisgah3840]

So like Canada?

 

[Bodhisattva]

I'm pretty sure that was never an option, even for a resident.

Never been an issue prior to the new law. Many out of state hunters were able to use semi auto shotguns for deer or waterfowl and a semi for varmint, yotes, etc etc.

 

[whacko]

Never been an issue prior to the new law. Many out of state hunters were able to use semi auto shotguns for deer or waterfowl and a semi for varmint, yotes, etc etc.

Yeah but a browning a5 or Remy 1100 shotgun wasn't high cap. Before I don't think a nh resident could come into mass with a saiga semi auto shotgun and "hunt" with it. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Penniepup1]

It’s what they want, less hunters in the state.

 

[Admin]

A nonresident who is at least 18 years of age may possess rifles and shotguns that are not large capacity or semi-automatic and ammunition therefor: (i) to hunt during hunting season with a nonresident hunting license or a hunting license or permit lawfully issued from their state of residence, which has substantially similar requirements to those in section 11 of chapter 131, as determined by the colonel of the state police pursuant to subsection (l); (ii) while on a firing or shooting range; (iii) while traveling in or through the commonwealth; provided, that the rifles and shotguns that are not large capacity or semi-automatic shall be unloaded and in a locked container pursuant to sections 131C and 131L; or (iv) while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors’ club or association.

 

[Admin]

The state has no idea how much this law is going to affect them financially.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

The state has no idea how much this law is going to affect them financially.

The state doesn’t care…..cause gunz.

 

[Admin]

I spoke with some MA EP officers at Hunt Stock this morning and asked them about the non-res needing to register and being barred from using semi-auto. The confirmed it and also said they do not have any mechanism for registering non-res blasters and are "waiting for guidance".

 

[Patriot]

It’s what they want, less hunters in the state.

i would Love it if they never sold another hunting license in the state. Nobody cares about the revenue as the pols have many other ways to separate you from your money but when the animal population goes completely unchecked, well, that is my fondest dream for these arseholes. The only hunters at that time will be poachers and the state, in order to create the illusion of caring, will retain a completely ineffectual army of environmental morons that will look concerned. The rule of unintended consequences never fails.

 

[DJBrad]

Without the funds coming in from the Pittman Robertson act I foresee major losses in funding and you can bet far less resources for MDFW as well as EPOs.

 

[whacko]

Without the funds coming in from the Pittman Robertson act I foresee major losses in funding and you can bet far less resources for MDFW as well as EPOs.

Absolutely. Pit Rob funds new allocated to each state based on number of hunting licenses sold in that state. Fewer hunting licenses means less money.

 

[Mark from ?]

Youth now cannot use semi autos correct?

Talked with the lady that runs our youth hunt where we start training this week and no semi auto allowed.

She also said that several kids dropped out because they needed FID and their PDs are not issuing them right now until there is clarification or something.

Im out of state now so I miss working with these kids…but to see what is being done to kill the youth hunting. Bad.

 

[RDG]

Youth now cannot use semi autos correct?

Talked with the lady that runs our youth hunt where we start training this week and no semi auto allowed.

She also said that several kids dropped out because they needed FID and their PDs are not issuing them right now until there is clarification or something.

I'm out of state now so I miss working with these kids…but to see what is being done to kill the youth hunting. Bad.

The whole thing is a mess.... so f***ed up.

I'm trying to get clarification on the youth no semi thing. The way I kind of read the new laws... FID holders are not allowed semi-autos anymore but what about 12/13/14 years old? I did reach out to GOAL for their opinion but have heard back yet.

and I thought PD's were still issuing FID/LTC using the old training standard until the new course could be written and implemented.

 

[Mark from ?]

The whole thing is a mess.... so f***ed up.

I'm trying to get clarification on the youth no semi thing. The way I kind of read the new laws... FID holders are not allowed semi-autos anymore but what about 12/13/14 years old? I did reach out to GOAL for their opinion but have heard back yet.

and I thought PD's were still issuing FID/LTC using the old training standard until the new course could be written and implemented.

Well....the lady who runs this thing is nice as pie. But nervous about laws is an understatement. It is a state program so she has to toe the line as far as semi autos go, and no one will be using a semi auto, since everyone is under 18.

Getting parents to find or buy new guns for these kids has knocked a kid or two from the program I guess, even though we have plenty of guns to borrow.

As far as FID issue goes.....I don't know...she told me that, but I didn't go checking on who or where......but it more hearsay at this point than reality.
I have hard time thinking that people are getting told no they can't apply for FID.......

 

[Pisgah3840]

Is it correct that the new changes ban nonresident hunters under 18 years of age in Massachusetts?
I do not see any exceptions for minor nonresidents.

 

[pastera]

The whole thing is a mess.... so f***ed up.

I'm trying to get clarification on the youth no semi thing. The way I kind of read the new laws... FID holders are not allowed semi-autos anymore but what about 12/13/14 years old? I did reach out to GOAL for their opinion but have heard back yet.

and I thought PD's were still issuing FID/LTC using the old training standard until the new course could be written and implemented.

1275 (g) A person may furnish a minor or person under 21 years of age with a firearm and ammunition for hunting, instruction, recreation and participation in shooting sports provided that the person furnishing the firearm and ammunition holds the appropriate license, permit or card, or is a duly commissioned officer, noncommissioned officer or enlisted member of the United States army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard, or the national guard or military service of the commonwealth or reserve components thereof, while in performance of their duty

1293 (j) A nonresident who is at least 18 years of age may possess rifles and shotguns that are not large capacity or semi-automatic and ammunition therefor: (i) to hunt during hunting season with a nonresident hunting license or a hunting license or permit lawfully issued from their state of residence, which has substantially similar requirements to those in section 11 of chapter 131,

So a minor hunting on their own FID cannot have a semi-auto
But a minor hunting on an LTC holder's license can hunt with a semi-auto

A non-resident will need a non-resident (temporary) LTC and a hunting license to hunt in Mass with a semi-auto.

 

[pastera]

Is it correct that the new changes ban nonresident hunters under 18 years of age in Massachusetts?
I do not see any exceptions for minor nonresidents.

Minor non-residents cannot hunt in Mass unless they are hunting under someone else's license.
There is no method for a non-resident minor to be issued an FID therefore they cannot hunt without being in the presence of an adult license holder.

 

[Bigfudge16]

So a minor hunting on their own FID cannot have a semi-auto
But a minor hunting on an LTC holder's license can hunt with a semi-auto

A non-resident will need a non-resident (temporary) LTC and a hunting license to hunt in Mass with a semi-auto.

This will lead to some interesting conversations in the field with EP's

 

[Bigfudge16]

The state has no idea how much this law is going to affect them financially.

They don't care, they'll just steal more elsewhere. Look at Mayor Wu attempting to raise taxes on commercial businesses to give her constituents the perception that she is looking out for them. Meanwhile residents are complaining that every legitimate business in the lower income neighborhoods are closing shop...due to crime, forget about taxes.

i would Love it if they never sold another hunting license in the state. Nobody cares about the revenue as the pols have many other ways to separate you from your money but when the animal population goes completely unchecked, well, that is my fondest dream for these arseholes. The only hunters at that time will be poachers and the state, in order to create the illusion of caring, will retain a completely ineffectual army of environmental morons that will look concerned. The rule of unintended consequences never fails.

Sounds like new jobs! Great for the economy! We need to hire "licensed and insured" professionals to control the population of destructive wild animals. The population has hasn't exploded due to lack of hunters BTW it has just "relocated" due to overbuilding disrupting the wildlands.......

 

[pastera]

This will lead to some interesting conversations in the field with EP's

I'd expect most EP's aren't going to care about the particulars if you are in compliance with hunting regulations

 

[Bigfudge16]

I'd expect most EP's aren't going to care about the particulars if you are in compliance with hunting regulations

Agreed, most of them are typically very reasonable.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I'd expect most EP's aren't going to care about the particulars if you are in compliance with hunting regulations

It all depends on who you get. Just like most LEOs you can get a reasonable officer or a prick. Luck of the draw.

Agreed, most of them are typically very reasonable.

Sadly, not my experience. I have run across a few good ones but I have also run across some real pricks; sadly more of the latter.

I know thee are others on here with the same experiences.

 

[Bigfudge16]

It all depends on who you get. Just like most LEOs you can get a reasonable officer or a prick. Luck of the draw.


Sadly, not my experience. I have run across a few good ones but I have also run across some real pricks; sadly more of the latter.

I know thee are others on here with the same experiences.

Sorry to hear that, usually the bad encounters I have are no surprise due to the company I keep on occasion