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Man pulls concealed carry weapon in gun-free mall to defend family and bystanders during shooting
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Dennis in MA
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You really don't see the distinction between discrimination based on race and every other rule???
Back when I was a yowen, we went to Pier 4 for dinner. This is circa 1978 or so. As a gentleman, (which didn't include me - I was about 9) you were required to wear a jacket and a tie or you could not enter.
So what you're saying is. . . . my natural 1A freedom right to wear what I want (or nothing at all) trumps Pier 4's ability to block my admittance? At a privately owned establishment (like a house, or a restaurant. . . or a mall) can't violate my constitutional rights. Someone should have told them that way back when.
Look, I think the no-gun rule is stupid, but it's not against the Constitution. (What I do find fascinating is you can't carry in most municipal/state offices OR the P.O. Go figure that one!!). BOR is a limit on government, not business or persons.
I can't wait until someone screams "FREE SPEEEEEEEECHHH!!!" on NES and gets the ban-hammer. LOL. Should be teh same thing. Natural right of free speech. Why can't I say or do anything I want here. How about I post porn as an ad-on to every post??? I should be able to. NES shouldn't be able to stop me. It's my natural right!
You really don't see the distinction between discrimination based on race and every other rule???
Back when I was a yowen, we went to Pier 4 for dinner. This is circa 1978 or so. As a gentleman, (which didn't include me - I was about 9) you were required to wear a jacket and a tie or you could not enter.
So what you're saying is. . . . my natural 1A freedom right to wear what I want (or nothing at all) trumps Pier 4's ability to block my admittance? At a privately owned establishment (like a house, or a restaurant. . . or a mall) can't violate my constitutional rights. Someone should have told them that way back when.
Look, I think the no-gun rule is stupid, but it's not against the Constitution. (What I do find fascinating is you can't carry in most municipal/state offices OR the P.O. Go figure that one!!). BOR is a limit on government, not business or persons.
I can't wait until someone screams "FREE SPEEEEEEEECHHH!!!" on NES and gets the ban-hammer. LOL. Should be teh same thing. Natural right of free speech. Why can't I say or do anything I want here. How about I post porn as an ad-on to every post??? I should be able to. NES shouldn't be able to stop me. It's my natural right!
This exactly.
BUT I will say that I enjoy watching these people who are like @G Port and @Path-Finder on youtube when they drive in their daddy's camry and get pulled over and start claiming they "are sovereign citizens". That is truly entertaining. Their results are almost as good as the arguments made on this thread. Hint: There are legal limits to your liberty. The best you can do, is not support those who would actively pursue limiting it in the delusional thought that it makes gun free zones safer,
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Hey man I just try to stay away from cops and criminals because sometimes you can't tell which is which. Oh and my daddy never had a Camry....he wasn't gay.
That's not what his boyfriend says.
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Holy shit I may have found a new buddy who is as vulgar and immature as me.
We can go to constitutional law class together
This. No questions asked. Alrite fam this is over, keep your heads down and follow me right now to the nearest exit.
Maybe the copsch were already on him before he could reholster and he had to bow down to keep from getting shot, who knows, but GTFO is always your first and best choice if possible.
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"Man pulls concealed carry weapon in gun-free mall to defend family and bystanders during shooting"
Why didn't the family and bystanders defend themselves with their own guns?
Here's the original article:
'I never expected I would touch my gun': Dad pulls CCW gun to protect family in mall shooting
A metro area dad said the choice was easy to grab his concealed carry weapon and protect his family as gunfire erupted at the Westroads Mall Saturday.
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- Clears leather at the word of some panicked stranger that there's a shooting...
- ...runs through a mall waving a gun while people are desperately seeking shelter from a man with a gun...
- ...lets his family hide in a dead-end bathroom on advice of operating operator department store employees...
- ..."guards" the outside of the bathroom (in view of an attacker)...
- ...then abandons his family in the kill box to watch the closest escalator to "draw danger away" until...
- ...when police arrive, unilaterally finger-<bleep>s his semi-auto by unloading it "for safety"...
- ...invites The Man into his life by seeking out police (in a duty-to-inform state)...
- ...reholsters the gun with the slide locked back and gun showing, because police are reassured by that...
- ...waves his gun license at police contact to inform them that he has a gun and knows how to use it...
- ...runs his mouth to TV reporters about how he broke the law in a state with binding signage, because reasons...
- ...vows he will return to the mall, in a state where violating a gun-free zone twice is grounds for revocation.
but I would be embarrassed to do any of those things.
FTFY.
^ This.
Every time we're leaving the mall,
I kick myself for not working out a rendezvous plan ahead of time.
And where is it?
It is their rules but if the state has binding signage all bets are off, that's not simply a "potential trespass" issue. There are potentially two different sets of
issues here. The mall owner is within their right to "trespass" this guy if they wanted to (ban him) even if that would be a fag move, it's not the same as getting
to wield the arm of the state against him merely for walking into an unsecured building with a concealed handgun.
To demand binding signage enforcement though? f*** that noise. Binding signage is evil, for a whole different set of reasons.
My take, their property, their rules.
Also my take. I'm not going to judge him other than to concur with @AHM in post #49.
Legal signage in SC is a misdemeanor and will result in certain CWP revocation. That is less a motivation than simply taking my business elsewhere when it's made clear that I'm not wanted. If you are in business, telling any significant percentage of your target clientele that you don't like them and don't want their business is just downright stupid. Stupid is supposed to hurt. Bye Felicia.
Also my take. I'm not going to judge him other than to concur with @AHM in post #49.
Legal signage in SC is a misdemeanor and will result in certain CWP revocation. That is less a motivation than simply taking my business elsewhere when it's made clear that I'm not wanted. If you are in business, telling any significant percentage of your target clientele that you don't like them and don't want their business is just downright stupid. Stupid is supposed to hurt. Bye Felicia.
Immaterial, hypocrite. You want your rights, and f* everybody else if they don't give in to you all the time, rather than you choosing to deal with like minded, or more open minded, individuals.
Part of growing up means that we accept we're not going to agree with everyone else at all times. Just admit you're a child already and move on. They don't want your money, they don't want to employ you, so save your cash and your energies for those that do and let them suffer the consequences of having neither.
A private home is not quite the perfect analog for a private business in your argument.
"Hey, I'm having a party at my house Saturday night. You're welcome to come but not if you plan on bringing your Latino friend."
"Man pulls concealed carry weapon in gun-free mall to defend family and bystanders during shooting"
Why didn't the family and bystanders defend themselves with their own guns?
Here's the original article:
'I never expected I would touch my gun': Dad pulls CCW gun to protect family in mall shooting
A metro area dad said the choice was easy to grab his concealed carry weapon and protect his family as gunfire erupted at the Westroads Mall Saturday.God grant me the wisdom to do the right thing in an emergency,
- Clears leather at the word of some panicked stranger that there's a shooting...
- ...runs through a mall waving a gun while people are desperately seeking shelter from a man with a gun...
- ...lets his family hide in a dead-end bathroom on advice of operating operator department store employees...
- ..."guards" the outside of the bathroom (in view of an attacker)...
- ...then abandons his family in the kill box to watch the closest escalator to "draw danger away" until...
- ...when police arrive, unilaterally finger-<bleep>s his semi-auto by unloading it "for safety"...
- ...invites The Man into his life by seeking out police (in a duty-to-inform state)...
- ...reholsters the gun with the slide locked back and gun showing, because police are reassured by that...
- ...waves his gun license at police contact to inform them that he has a gun and knows how to use it...
- ...runs his mouth to TV reporters about how he broke the law in a state with binding signage, because reasons...
- ...vows he will return to the mall, in a state where violating a gun-free zone twice is grounds for revocation.
but I would be embarrassed to do any of those things.
FTFY.
^ This.
Every time we're leaving the mall,
I kick myself for not working out a rendezvous plan ahead of time.
I figure that if I am in a gun-free zone and an active shooter emerges, anyone worth defending will already be armed and capable of defending themselves.
I am not and never will be a hero. I don't assume the liability of carrying a firearm, and will not put myself in legal and/or physical jeopardy, for the protection of people who don't value life highly enough to be prepared to defend themselves. My gun only leaves the holster if it is required to actively fight my way to safety. If someone starts shooting in the middle of Walmart, you will not see me tracking the shooter in the store attempting to neutralize. I will be the guy quietly heading out the nearest exit -- of course, after I let someone else run through it to see if there is another shooter outside watching the exit.
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Peter Schiff says businesses should be allowed to discriminate. And I agree. Hell, businesses discriminate against people who carry guns. Why not discriminate based on race or sex or religion? How long would a business like that last? Probably not long in today's world. I wouldn't support any business that discriminates on any basis. Oh, right. I already boycott businesses that discriminate against me.
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Do they not have Amazon in Nebraska... know where I'm not getting capped? In a mall shooting... know why because I get that shit delivered
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it's not so much a depth of knowledge as the ability to interpret what I read. Of course, others interpret it differently, which is why we are here today. I interpret it broadly, progs interpret it narrowly to fit their agenda of increasing control as well as decreasing the power of the population.
"Shall not be infringed" seems pretty clear to me as well. As in not to be infringed by a senile half-tard, a gap toothed dyke, or some low level manager wearing a cheap blazer at your favorite superstore.
And lets look at civil rights, since you like the sound of those words. Why do the words "civil rights" these days usually refer to some court case involving a criminal, degenerate, or some other kind of reprobate. Civil rights seems to have become synonymous with forcing the warped agenda of some useless minority (not in the ethnic sense) upon the common sense of the majority. Civil Rights has become another meaningless leftist dog whistle. Like racist. Like homophobe.
If you think that refusing to bake a cake for a same sex couple is a violation of their civil rights, then don't you think that the ability to carry a firearm is perhaps even more of a civil right?
What if some punks decide to harass or assault the fudgepackers in Costco? Wouldn't it be better for them to be able to carry a Sig than have a nice penis shaped cake?
Is rounding up illegal scum a civil rights violation to you? How about when they kill Americans? Did the dead American lose his civil rights?
Is making sure people convicted of violent crimes live with a/c and weight rooms ensuring their civil rights? How about their victims? The rape victim living in fear? The dead man lying in the box?
So yeah lets dispense with the hypocrisy of establishing degrees of rights. You can enter a store if you are a skin color the owner doesn't like, if the store owner is allergic to your comfort dog, or if you have a Beretta tucked under your shirt.
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No. I recognized it for the feeble ad hominem attack it was. Personal attacks are typically liberal. When a person cannot support their argument with logic and reason, they typically regress to a third grade level.
Once again, it's like calling someone a racist. Totally meaningless.
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So what you're saying is every cop is a . . . . criminal. I'm betting you think all the sinners' saints.
In 2021, maybe not a lot of reasons. My needs are less and less. Especially since the stores I'd want to go to are now 50 miles away instead of 10. Makes the desire to go even less than before. But an afternoon hitting some of the nicer stores in South Shore or Natick??? Those are some nice malls.
Possibly one of the most interesting things I've ever done is take a cooking class with my daughter at Sur La Table in Natick before the mall opened on a Sunday AM. Helluva drive (although it was quiet at 8am on a Sunday) but it was a blast. And now she's a master macaron maker. Like CRAZY talented at it. (I hate the things - but enjoyed the experience anyhow.)
A lot of that is fair. But I'll take exception to #3. I would bet that unless Perp needs to drop a deuce, you're going to be safest in that bathroom. Is it a dead-end? Yes. Is it a likely target in a very target-rich environment? No. Not in the least. Why go searching the potty for victims when the rest of the mall is full of them? The only time that would be bad is if it was a hostage situation. Like 20-30 armed terrorists taking over the mall."Man pulls concealed carry weapon in gun-free mall to defend family and bystanders during shooting"
Why didn't the family and bystanders defend themselves with their own guns?
Here's the original article:
'I never expected I would touch my gun': Dad pulls CCW gun to protect family in mall shooting
A metro area dad said the choice was easy to grab his concealed carry weapon and protect his family as gunfire erupted at the Westroads Mall Saturday.God grant me the wisdom to do the right thing in an emergency,
- Clears leather at the word of some panicked stranger that there's a shooting...
- ...runs through a mall waving a gun while people are desperately seeking shelter from a man with a gun...
- ...lets his family hide in a dead-end bathroom on advice of operating operator department store employees...
- ..."guards" the outside of the bathroom (in view of an attacker)...
- ...then abandons his family in the kill box to watch the closest escalator to "draw danger away" until...
- ...when police arrive, unilaterally finger-<bleep>s his semi-auto by unloading it "for safety"...
- ...invites The Man into his life by seeking out police (in a duty-to-inform state)...
- ...reholsters the gun with the slide locked back and gun showing, because police are reassured by that...
- ...waves his gun license at police contact to inform them that he has a gun and knows how to use it...
- ...runs his mouth to TV reporters about how he broke the law in a state with binding signage, because reasons...
- ...vows he will return to the mall, in a state where violating a gun-free zone twice is grounds for revocation.
but I would be embarrassed to do any of those things.
FTFY.
^ This.
Every time we're leaving the mall,
I kick myself for not working out a rendezvous plan ahead of time.
Crabtree Mall in Raleigh is a GFZ and is posted, but not at all entrances. The entrance by McCormick and Schmick's/Ruth's Chris is not posted as you walk into Belks from outside, so in effect, the mall leaves themselves wide open to carry in.
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With the recent string of bad guy shooters wearing III-A armor, probably would be good practice to adjust trigger time training from center mass towards connecting more head shots. In a real defensive situation, would really suck if you come face to face with an armed attacker and you just dumped your ten round maximum allowed magazine center mass and all you did was anger the guy.
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