March 2025 FCAB Meeting Notes

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March 14, 2025 - Firearm Control Advisory Board (FCAB) Meeting

February minutes and Banned Assault Style Firearms Draft

The March meeting was relatively brief, an hour long. There was more discussion on the “Banned Assault Style Firearms Roster”. The three-person subcommittee comprised of Ron Glidden (Mass Chiefs), Ryan Mingo (Mass AG’s office), and Judge Michael Fabbri (Ret.) - President of the Senate Appointee have been working on how to present the roster to the public. The draft of what they have come up with is public information and can be found in the February meeting information.

GOAL has made our position clear that there are no banned Assault Style Firearms (ASFs) in Massachusetts. There are some serious restrictions on them, but no actual “bans.” Even pre-1994 enumerated ASFs are not banned from possession, or transfer, if they were acquired by a certain date. If you look at the draft, the title is “Prohibited” which is not what the law says. Publishing a phony politically driven roster is only going to complicate legal matters with lawful gun owners, police, and the courts.

GOAL brought up the confusion on Black Powder again. This was caused by Chapter 135 removing the exemption of possessing muzzle loading ammunition components from state law. We keep hearing that federal law might cover it, but if that is the case why remove the exemption from state law. This question is further complicated by Chapter 135 adding federal language to the laws. Still no answers.

Last month the FCAB voted to not include rifles and shotguns in the firearm testing and roster requirements. The work around was that the term “firearm” did not meet the context of the handgun roster section of law. Because the FCAB is only an advisory body, the Secretary of Public Safety must make the actual decision. So far, no official decision has been made. We are told that may happen when the next guidance letter is issued.

Speaking of the “handgun” roster, no new guns were submitted by the manufacturers.

Another subject has come up regarding the handgun roster. Aside from the possible exclusion of long guns, there has been some discussion about frames and receivers. Since it is physically impossible for a frame to meet the testing standards, it is likely at some point the FCAB will recommend that they also be excluded. If this does happen, yet another question will have to be answered. If frames don’t have to meet the roster requirements, does that mean retailers can sell them? This could be further complicated by any interpretation by the Attorney General and how their separate regulations apply.

Handgun testing standards and forms came up again. At the February meeting a, so-called, smart gun was presented for roster consideration for the first time. As it was new to the roster process, GOAL had several questions regarding the testing standards. There was some discussion about reviewing the standards as they would apply to a totally different type of firearm. There is also an effort internally to standardize the testing reporting forms and perhaps an interactive online form. This would be very helpful to the labs and the FCAB.

GOAL brought up the pending registration and what is currently required and what is put off until the unfunded system is in place. This is the summation of what we were told:
  • Residents are not required to have firearms, frames/receivers, unfinished or otherwise until the system is in place.
  • Once the system is in place, the state is required to notify all licensed gun owners on the requirements and deadlines for compliance.
  • New residents must register everything when they move into the state using the current MIRC system.
  • There has been no advice regarding licensed non-residents registering their firearms when coming into the state for various activities.
  • Serial numbers will not be made available until the new system is up and running.
  • Retailers transferring frames, receivers, and anything else without a serial number should use a paper FA-10 form.
 
Digging into the February notes and the proposed assault style firearms roster, there is some concerning wording that directly contradicts prior AG guidance requiring exempt firearms to be serialized and registered (see their determination letter than says unbuilt and unregistered receivers are lawful to build post July 2016 if owned prior).
 
When will we have official guidance from the state (NOT armchair NES expurts) that AR lowers in state on 8/1/2024 can be built into complete rifles???

You are getting closer but nobody wants to address this.

Next meeting - Please get this question answered.
 
Don’t sleep on the link to the February minutes!!! It includes the ASF subcommittee minutes and draft prohibited roster. They are very clearly going to try and enforce the 2016 date. 🤮
 
Don’t sleep on the link to the February minutes!!! It includes the ASF subcommittee minutes and draft prohibited roster. They are very clearly going to try and enforce the 2016 date. 🤮


Yes they are. Hopefully GOAL has some influence here. There’s more in that 2016 notice that impacts a lot more than just ARs, including many rifles that were lawfully sold by audited dealers. It’s a hard argument to stand behind and enforce, but it will at least have the impact of some people disposing of rifles who otherwise wouldn’t have (especially when you need to register everything in the new system).
 
So what does that mean if an ar was purchased and registered for the 8/1 smackdown?
If they enforce 2016? It would mean its all illegal....... turn it in or sell it out of state?

Who the F knows.

At least they the citizenry to register before 8/1 it so they know you have it, I would not put it past them to change things and F all the people that rushed to buy.
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If they enforce 2016? It would mean its all illegal....... turn it in or sell it out of state?

Who the F knows.

At least they the citizenry to register before 8/1 it so they know you have it, I would not put it past them to change things and F all the people that rushed to buy.
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Exactly, who the F knows.
If the state is going to prosecute post 2016, then that means pre 2016 is illegal also. Then we are left with pre 1994.
 
Wow, talk about muddying the waters.

The only thing clear here is that MA is a tyrannical shithole

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It's nothing new, but worth pointing out how unsettling it is how the police, the legislators, and the judges/attorneys are working together on this web of confusion and complexity.
 
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Wow, talk about muddying the waters.

The only thing clear here is that MA is a tyrannical shithole

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It's nothing new, but worth pointing out how unsettling it is how the police, the legislators, and the judges/attorneys are working together on this web of confusion and complexity.
And none of them have a clue
 
If they enforce 2016? It would mean its all illegal....... turn it in or sell it out of state?

Who the F knows.

At least they the citizenry to register before 8/1 it so they know you have it, I would not put it past them to change things and F all the people that rushed to buy.
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As I read it, they are saying anything acquired after 2016 was never legal to own, therefore it was never legally possessed but they never went after anyone. So the 8/1/24 date doesn't mean anything for those firearms........I think?????
 
Reality is there was never any law passed in 2016......words spoken by one AG mean nothing if not legislated into law. Why people or any dealers ever listened to that twat is beyond me.

I don't know all the text of the new law but it said 8/1/2024, that is a passed law which is binding until SJC says its not constitutional. Until then you live under its boot.

These retards in these meetings coming up with definitions back to whatever date should mean nothing.
 
Reality is there was never any law passed in 2016......words spoken by one AG mean nothing if not legislated into law. Why people or any dealers ever listened to that twat is beyond me.

I don't know all the text of the new law but it said 8/1/2024, that is a passed law which is binding until SJC says its not constitutional. Until then you live under its boot.
I agree with you but the new law seems to codify the 7/20/16 date, I'm sure there are a lot of people who are going to have some exposure if that is true but I acquired all my firearms legally so I just don't give a f*** anymore.
 
I agree with you but the new law seems to codify the 7/20/16 date, I'm sure there are a lot of people who are going to have some exposure if that is true but I acquired all my firearms legally so I just don't give a f*** anymore.

The law codified the date but exempts anything legally owned on 8/1. This roster document is purporting that certain items were not lawful and therefore not exempt. It’s also requiring all items be ”registered” by 8/1 under the old statute which was not possible (without committing perjury) for some items. This would have wide ranging implications if enforced.
 
As I read it, they are saying anything acquired after 2016 was never legal to own, therefore it was never legally possessed but they never went after anyone. So the 8/1/24 date doesn't mean anything for those firearms........I think?????
I agree with you but the new law seems to codify the 7/20/16 date, I'm sure there are a lot of people who are going to have some exposure if that is true but I acquired all my firearms legally so I just don't give a f*** anymore.
The law codified the date but exempts anything legally owned on 8/1. This roster document is purporting that certain items were not lawful and therefore not exempt. It’s also requiring all items be ”registered” by 8/1 under the old statute which was not possible (without committing perjury) for some items. This would have wide ranging implications if enforced.
The draft "PROHIBITED ASSAULT-STYLE FIREARMS ROSTER" is the mother of all anti-Constitutional messes... but look at the members of the Firearm Control Advisory Board plus a certain non-member meeting attendee and I guess we should have braced for a full-blown, unmitigated disaster. As if Chapter 135 wasn't bad and confusing enough, the FCAB seems to have set out to go above and beyond in making things even worse for us.

But the thing that bugs me the most is that G.O.A.L. is fully on-board with the provisions of the draft Prohibited Roster relating to retroactively codifying Maura's 7/20/2016 enforcement notice. That position follows the lead of Attorney Jason Guida, which suggests to me that G.O.A.L. and Attorney Guida are really one and the same when it comes to all things Chapter 135-related. That's a very scary thought and yet another reason why I continue to withhold my financial support from G.O.A.L.

Put another way, our sole voice on the FCAB is on-board with the interpretation of Chapter 135 re: ASFs that hurts us the most. Is that screwed up or what?
 
The draft "PROHIBITED ASSAULT-STYLE FIREARMS ROSTER" is the mother of all anti-Constitutional messes... but look at the members of the Firearm Control Advisory Board plus a certain non-member meeting attendee and I guess we should have braced for a full-blown, unmitigated disaster. As if Chapter 135 wasn't bad and confusing enough, the FCAB seems to have set out to go above and beyond in making things even worse for us.

But the thing that bugs me the most is that G.O.A.L. is fully on-board with the provisions of the draft Prohibited Roster relating to retroactively codifying Maura's 7/20/2016 enforcement notice. That position follows the lead of Attorney Jason Guida, which suggests to me that G.O.A.L. and Attorney Guida are really one and the same when it comes to all things Chapter 135-related. That's a very scary thought and yet another reason why I continue to withhold my financial support from G.O.A.L.

Put another way, our sole voice on the FCAB is on-board with the interpretation of Chapter 135 re: ASFs that hurts us the most. Is that screwed up or what?
That tells me that if anyone got jammed up with a 8/1 lower - the states more powerful 2a lawyer wont be able to defend them on that charge.
 
I agree with you but the new law seems to codify the 7/20/16 date, I'm sure there are a lot of people who are going to have some exposure if that is true but I acquired all my firearms legally so I just don't give a f*** anymore.

Seems to codify? What does that mean? What is the date in the new written law? 8/1/24? or 7/20/16? There can't be two different dates.

Whatever date FCAB says or goes back to doesn't really matter legally I would think, they can say what they want....but its not a law. Add the wrinkle that lowers were NOT defined as firearms under the state law a previous to this passing.

You bought a lower in MA previous to 8/1 you didn't buy a firearm as defined by MA law. MA law at previous to 8/1 dictated that a firearm had to fire a round.

Will they try and use the 7/20/16 date to get pantshitters to get rid of shit. Absolutely.
 
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Seems to codify? What does that mean? What is the date in the new written law? 8/1/24? or 7/20/16? There can't be two different dates.

Whatever date FCAB says or goes back to doesn't really matter legally I would think, they can say what they want....but its not a law. Law is written and passed already.

Will they try and use the 7/20/16 date to get pantshitters to get rid of shit. Absolutely.
Hey, just trying to make sense of it just like everyone else.
 
  • Retailers transferring frames, receivers, and anything else without a serial number should use a paper FA-10 form.
I don't understand this one, but I expect it is a case of the FRB being inscruitable rather than Jim.

Frames without a serial number? If complete, not legal to sell. If 80%, not a regulated time.

I can see this applying to some pre-68 firearms, but that is about it.
 
When will we have official guidance from the state (NOT armchair NES expurts) that AR lowers in state on 8/1/2024 can be built into complete rifles???

You are getting closer but nobody wants to address this.

Next meeting - Please get this question answered.
Excellent Smithers :p
 
Frames without a serial number? If complete, not legal to sell. If 80%, not a regulated time.
80% Frames are illegal now no?....so technically they are regulated in MA.

Or was this not part of the new law?

Can't remember, but since this was all the media was talking about to get the idiot populace all on board was ghost guns. I thought everything ghostie 0-100% was illegal.
 
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