Maryland AWB case Snope v Brown going to SCOTUS. (Formerly Bianchi v Brown & Bianchi v Frosh)

[Thumopolis]

I'm going to assume that they're a sock puppet account until proven otherwise. Joined this month - 6 posts all in this thread.

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I’m not sure what a “sock puppet account” is but I did just recently join but only because I just found out this site exists. Not trying to start any trouble here, just weighing in with my opinion which I’ve already admitted is just my uneducated perspective. I really hope it passes but I’m just not as optimistic about it as others seem to be. Regardless of what I think should happen (which is that the AWB’s should be easily deemed unconstitutional) I just don’t trust any part of the government or “justice” system to do the right thing. …Also whoever said I don’t/haven’t followed scotus much is 100% correct as this is really the first time I’ve had something I cared about enough to follow so my opinion is obviously not worth much if anything but I will stick to my guns (no pun intended) and say I’ll believe this will work out favorably for the 2nd amendment when I see it. I do know enough to say there’s more than a couple reasons this could end badly or at the very least get pushed further into the future more and more. I’m sorry I ruffled some feathers here that was not my intention and I hope you all realize I’m rooting for this just as much as you are however I don’t share your optimism but I REALLY hope you guys are right and I’ll be the first one to admit I was wrong if I am and if I am right I sure as hell won’t be happy about it.

 

[Cap'n Mike]

I’m not sure what a “sock puppet account” is but I did just recently join but only because I just found out this site exists. Not trying to start any trouble here, just weighing in with my opinion which I’ve already admitted is just my uneducated perspective. I really hope it passes but I’m just not as optimistic about it as others seem to be. Regardless of what I think should happen (which is that the AWB’s should be easily deemed unconstitutional) I just don’t trust any part of the government or “justice” system to do the right thing. …Also whoever said I don’t/haven’t followed scotus much is 100% correct as this is really the first time I’ve had something I cared about enough to follow so my opinion is obviously not worth much if anything but I will stick to my guns (no pun intended) and say I’ll believe this will work out favorably for the 2nd amendment when I see it. I do know enough to say there’s more than a couple reasons this could end badly or at the very least get pushed further into the future more and more. I’m sorry I ruffled some feathers here that was not my intention and I hope you all realize I’m rooting for this just as much as you are however I don’t share your optimism but I REALLY hope you guys are right and I’ll be the first one to admit I was wrong if I am and if I am right I sure as hell won’t be happy about it.

If your interested in reading some past SCOTUS decisions that fill me with optimism, ill go find the links for you.

 

[pastera]

Not looking good. SCOTUS probably didn't want to deny cert to all the 2A cases on the same day, so figure on Friday they will drop the denial and head off to their log cabins and country clubs for the 3 day weekend.

No, they have ZERO issue sending a message.
Could they deny and the relist is to allow time for a dissent but, in my opinion, that is unlikely

 

[pastera]

I’m not sure what a “sock puppet account” is but I did just recently join but only because I just found out this site exists. Not trying to start any trouble here, just weighing in with my opinion which I’ve already admitted is just my uneducated perspective. I really hope it passes but I’m just not as optimistic about it as others seem to be. Regardless of what I think should happen (which is that the AWB’s should be easily deemed unconstitutional) I just don’t trust any part of the government or “justice” system to do the right thing. …Also whoever said I don’t/haven’t followed scotus much is 100% correct as this is really the first time I’ve had something I cared about enough to follow so my opinion is obviously not worth much if anything but I will stick to my guns (no pun intended) and say I’ll believe this will work out favorably for the 2nd amendment when I see it. I do know enough to say there’s more than a couple reasons this could end badly or at the very least get pushed further into the future more and more. I’m sorry I ruffled some feathers here that was not my intention and I hope you all realize I’m rooting for this just as much as you are however I don’t share your optimism but I REALLY hope you guys are right and I’ll be the first one to admit I was wrong if I am and if I am right I sure as hell won’t be happy about it.

Read Heller, Bruen, Caetano and Rahimi.
Also read Mass SJC Canjura

I've published most of these here with comments explaining critical areas of each (don't remember if I did heller)

 

[Thumopolis]

If your interested in reading some past SCOTUS decisions that fill me with optimism, I’ll go find the links for you.

Of course if you’d like to post I would definitely take a look I have done some of my own research mostly through YouTube videos which I know don’t always give the best information but I’ve also read all “brief amicus curiae” filed for snope v brown. I’ll admit it looks/sounds good on paper it’s just that I don’t have faith in these people to make unbiased decisions… after all they are humans. Just as you or I would almost certainly vote for any pro 2A legislation there’s others who would unfortunately do the exact opposite and regardless of what they say the support or not we won’t know until they act. I know this court is probably as good as a chance as we will get or at least the best chance so far and I pray they do the right thing.

 

[loneranger]

Jan 13, 2025:
"The Court relisted two other closely watched Second Amendment cases, Snope v. Brown and Ocean State Tactical v. Rhode Island, to be considered again at this Friday’s (Jan 17) conference. That keeps gun-rights supporters’ hopes alive for a Supreme Court grant of review of state bans on so-called assault weapons and large-capacity magazines."

SCOTUS Rejects Multiple Second Amendment Cases, Relists Gun Ban Challenges

 

[RegAvgJoe]

I’m cautiously optimistic, & made another FPC donation today. They’re doing what we want done. I appreciate effort.

 

[Cap'n Mike]

Of course if you’d like to post I would definitely take a look I have done some of my own research mostly through YouTube videos which I know don’t always give the best information but I’ve also read all “brief amicus curiae” filed for snope v brown. I’ll admit it looks/sounds good on paper it’s just that I don’t have faith in these people to make unbiased decisions… after all they are humans. Just as you or I would almost certainly vote for any pro 2A legislation there’s others who would unfortunately do the exact opposite and regardless of what they say the support or not we won’t know until they act. I know this court is probably as good as a chance as we will get or at least the best chance so far and I pray they do the right thing.

Start with this one about US v Miller

https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/ECM_PRO_060964.pdf

It’s a terrible case, handpicked to rubber stamp the National Firearm Act of 1934, and still would supports the 2nd Ammendments protection of AR15s.

Then DC v Heller 2008

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

District of Columbia v. Heller: Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

supreme.justia.com

Then Ceatano v Massachusettes 2016

Caetano v. Massachusetts, 577 U.S. 411 (2016)

Caetano v. Massachusetts: The Second Amendment covers all weapons that may be defined as "bearable arms," even if they did not exist when the Bill of Rights was drafted and are not commonly used in warfare.

supreme.justia.com

Then NYSRPA v Bruen 2022

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U.S. ___ (2022)

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Corlett: New York's requirement that an applicant for an unrestricted license to “have and carry” a concealed pistol or revolver must prove "a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community” is unconstitutional.

supreme.justia.com

All these cases are building blocks SCOTUS has used to arrive where they are today on gun rights and if they found a ban on AR15s Constitutional, they would be going 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

Then check out Canjura as Pastera suggested, and you will see that even the Mass SJC is evolving in favor of the Second Ammendment.

Commonwealth v. Canjura

The case involves the defendant, David E. Canjura, who was arrested by Boston police officers on July 3, 2020, after an altercation with his girlfriend. During a search incident to the arrest, officers found a spring-assisted knife on Canjura. He was charged with carrying a dangerous weapon...

law.justia.com

 

[pastera]

Start with this one about US v Miller

https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/ECM_PRO_060964.pdf

It’s a terrible case, handpicked to rubber stamp the National Firearm Act of 1934, and still would supports the 2nd Ammendments protection of AR15s.

Then DC v Heller 2008

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

District of Columbia v. Heller: Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

supreme.justia.com

Then Ceatano v Massachusettes 2016

Caetano v. Massachusetts, 577 U.S. 411 (2016)

Caetano v. Massachusetts: The Second Amendment covers all weapons that may be defined as "bearable arms," even if they did not exist when the Bill of Rights was drafted and are not commonly used in warfare.

supreme.justia.com

Then NYSRPA v Bruen 2022

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U.S. ___ (2022)

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Corlett: New York's requirement that an applicant for an unrestricted license to “have and carry” a concealed pistol or revolver must prove "a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community” is unconstitutional.

supreme.justia.com

All these cases are building blocks SCOTUS has used to arrive where they are today on gun rights and if they found a ban on AR15s Constitutional, they would be going 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

Then check out Canjura as Pastera suggested, and you will see that even the Mass SJC is evolving in favor of the Second Ammendment.

Commonwealth v. Canjura

The case involves the defendant, David E. Canjura, who was arrested by Boston police officers on July 3, 2020, after an altercation with his girlfriend. During a search incident to the arrest, officers found a spring-assisted knife on Canjura. He was charged with carrying a dangerous weapon...

law.justia.com

I would say read about the history of Miller before reading Miller and do after reading Heller
Reading order
Heller
Bruen
Caetano
Miller history
Miller
Canjura

Miller is a tuff read to really understand but knowing the history of it and reading the follow on opinions helps you understand how it is interpreted.

 

[vicorjh]

On the background of Miller as explained by Tom Grieves:


View: https://youtu.be/XcyaVAlFnc4?si=_I6oaAZCtTxs4BFW


View: https://youtu.be/fNdYryHgLWA?si=0ExUPyXPF2Ka0n5-

THE PECULIAR STORY OF UNITED STATES V. MILLER, NYU:

https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/ECM_PRO_060964.pdf

 

[sbhaven]

Don't leave out McDonald v. City of Chicago.

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep561/usrep561742/usrep561742.pdf

(d) The Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment rightto keep and bear arms fully applicable to the States.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Im not really here to argue bc I want the same thing we all do… however polling shows 56% of adult “Americans” want stricter gun laws, 32% want them to stay the same, and only 12% want them less strict. …I can provide sources if needed.

Edit- I do realize polling can’t always be trusted but it does show somewhat the climate for sure.

I don't care how people "feel" about constitutional rights. 155% of all Americans were opposed to gay marriage the day before the SC said, "WTF,O?"

That was 9 years ago. I'm betting the anti-gay-marriage contingent today isn't 5% of the population.

People get wound up about things (I was part of teh 155% back then) and then, when it happens, realize it's NBD. Same with gun rights. We're gonna calm the F down about AWB's about 8 days after the SC issues their no-more-bans ruling. Except for a, albeit vocal, micro-minority.

 

[p.tice]

Same with gun rights. We're gonna calm the F down about AWB's about 8 days after the SC issues their no-more-bans ruling. Except for a, albeit vocal, micro-minority.

Was just talking about this with a colleague. I hope SCOTUS deals with this if none other than to take it off the political table. The modern gun control debate has been going on at least 30 years and it’s a complete stalemate. It’s time the politicians are forced to change tactics. I’m all for lowering crime, but we’re never going to achieve it through this psychotic obsession over banning guns (of which hundreds of millions are already in circulation). It’s absolutely frustrating to live on the shifting sands of legality that results.

 

[MickeyD’s]

Was just talking about this with a colleague. I hope SCOTUS deals with this if none other than to take it off the political table. The modern gun control debate has been going on at least 30 years and it’s a complete stalemate. It’s time the politicians are forced to change tactics. I’m all for lowering crime, but we’re never going to achieve it through this psychotic obsession over banning guns (of which hundreds of millions are already in circulation). It’s absolutely frustrating to live on the shifting sands of legality that results.

What you don’t like being a FIW

Felon in waiting

 

[Parker Schreiber]

That was 9 years ago. I'm betting the anti-gay-marriage contingent today isn't 5% of the population.

You'd lose that bet. In the last 30 years, the percentages have flipped, but a Gallup poll last year still showed that 29% of people surveyed answered that gay marriage should not be valid.

https://news.gallup.com/file/poll/646211/2024_06_24%20LGBT.pdf

 

[Cap'n Mike]

I would say read about the history of Miller before reading Miller and do after reading Heller
Reading order
Heller
Bruen
Caetano
Miller history
Miller
Canjura

Miller is a tuff read to really understand but knowing the history of it and reading the follow on opinions helps you understand how it is interpreted.

I agree about Miller

That’s why my link was to the NYU article and not the actual ruling.

 

[Noreaster]

Pucker up, this could be a big day for the Snope case. (good, bad or indifferent).

Docket for 24-203

Snope v. Brown - SCOTUSblog

Independent News and Analysis on the U.S. Supreme Court

www.scotusblog.com

 

[MickeyD’s]

Pucker up, this could be a big day for the Snope case. (good, bad or indifferent).

Docket for 24-203

Snope v. Brown - SCOTUSblog

Independent News and Analysis on the U.S. Supreme Court

www.scotusblog.com

Ocean state Tac as well

 

[VTski4x4]

Fingers, toes, eyes - everything crossed.

 

[Thumopolis]

Here we go… I know we PROBABLY won’t know anything until Monday or maybe even Tuesday (due to MLK day) but today SHOULD be the day they decide. I recommend everyone pray that SCOTUS make the CORRECT DECISION! (of course for those who are into that sort of thing as I would never push my beliefs on anyone). Honestly I have my doubts but I’m gonna hope and pray this ends well for us and ALL law abiding Americans.

 

[Markymk25]

Here we go… I know we PROBABLY won’t know anything until Monday or maybe even Tuesday (due to MLK day) but today SHOULD be the day they decide. I recommend everyone pray that SCOTUS make the CORRECT DECISION! (of course for those who are into that sort of thing as I would never push my beliefs on anyone). Honestly I have my doubts but I’m gonna hope and pray this ends well for us and ALL law abiding Americans.

We may not have to wait that long; according to one of Mark Smith’s videos from last weekend, this late in the session it is common for them to grant cert Friday night, as we saw them do last week with the few cases that were granted.

 

[VTski4x4]

We may not have to wait that long; according to one of Mark Smith’s videos from last weekend, this late in the session it is common for them to grant cert Friday night, as we saw them do last week with the few cases that were granted.

Don't do that, don't give me hope.

 

[RegAvgJoe]

It’ll be a long weekend with bated breath.
I’ve got high hopes and crushingly low expectations.

 

[Cap'n Mike]

All we can do now is Expect the worst and Hope for the Best.

 

[Coyote33]

What are the implications here for Massachusetts?

What is the worst that can come of this? Status quo?

What is the best that can come of this? 30 round magazines and new, current AR's?

 

[pastera]

What are the implications here for Massachusetts?

What is the worst that can come of this? Status quo?

Nothings changes or they decide to ban exempt guns

What is the best that can come of this? 30 round magazines and new, current AR's?

Snope - assault weapon bans go away
Ocean State - magazine capacity limits go away.

 

[AmeriKHAN]

What are the implications here for Massachusetts?

What is the worst that can come of this? Status quo?

What is the best that can come of this? 30 round magazines and new, current AR's?

Even if the AWB gets struck down, I have no doubt MA will use the approved roster, or will make a new approved roster. They will say that semi auto rifles are not banned they're just not "approved for sale". You also have thr MA Consumer Protection Act. There's a whole lot of f***ery they still have up their sleeves.

 

[MickeyD’s]

What are the implications here for Massachusetts?

What is the worst that can come of this? Status quo?

What is the best that can come of this? 30 round magazines and new, current AR's?

Jesus dude

You ask this everytime

 

[MickeyD’s]

Even if the AWB gets struck down, I have no doubt MA will use the approved roster, or will make a new approved roster. They will say that semi auto rifles are not banned they're just not "approved for sale". You also have thr MA Consumer Protection Act. There's a whole lot of f***ery they still have up their sleeves.

Mild inconvenience… buy in NH with no sales tax

 

[Cap'n Mike]

What are the implications here for Massachusetts?

What is the worst that can come of this? Status quo?

What is the best that can come of this? 30 round magazines and new, current AR's?

The “Worst” imho is that if SCOTUS dosent take THIS AWB and Magazine Capacity case, they will never take one and these bans will stand for our lifetimes.