Mass Firearms School holding Spanish speaking firearms safety classes

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I read all posts before replying. But I must say this is a sore subject with me...and I have nothing against any nationality!!
I treat every one as they treat me, but come on . Lets keep one language so we can be the melting pot that we once was....
This is the USA every immigrant in the past has taken the time to learn the language. They were proud to be an American.
Nothing has changed.
If you want to live in America at least put away your old countries fags and language and become an American. Pick up our flag and start waving it!!!!
I think it is wrong to have to select English/Spanish to even go to an ATM.
Learn the language before even getting a drivers licensee then more on from there..
MFS missed the boat on this one...
Just my 2 cents!!!
KenK
 
This is the free market at work - MFS looks at the customer base, and fits its product offerings to the market. The isn't the same as the RMV offering second language driver's exams at taxpayer expense.
 
This is a mix bag of shit.

I was born 90% def and learned asl before English . I learn better from being shown or from reading then being spoken to.I got my hearing fixed when I was 6 btw but still have trouble with spelling not reading though. so I understand if you understand one thing better you'd wanna learn it that way. But not knowing English and having a gun and dealing with a cop could be very very bad.

I for one think half the problem with the dumbing down of this country and some of the problems we have is your no longer forced to learn english.
So people move here , don't bother learning English and have kids. They don't use English at home so there kids fall behind in school. It's not just Spanish . But if you speak Spanish your better off then if you only speak German ,Russian etc .


I for one think a country should pic one language and that's it no signs no nothing in any thing else . Only places that should have aids for non English speakers are airports .
 
warwickben said:
This is a mix bag of shit.

I was born 90% def and learned asl before English . I learn better from being shown or from reading then being spoken to.I got my hearing fixed when I was 6 btw but still have trouble with spelling not reading though. so I understand if you understand one thing better you'd wanna learn it that way. But not knowing English and having a gun and dealing with a cop could be very very bad.

I for one think half the problem with the dumbing down of this country and some of the problems we have is your no longer forced to learn english.
So people move here , don't bother learning English and have kids. They don't use English at home so there kids fall behind in school. It's not just Spanish . But if you speak Spanish your better off then if you only speak German ,Russian etc .


I for one think a country should pic one language and that's it no signs no nothing in any thing else . Only places that should have aids for non English speakers are airports .
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Amen. Great post.
 
I guess you guys didn't watch the news and see what happened to the Chinese lady who went to an Apple store to buy a couple of Iphones, Tazed and beaten over a misunderstanding because of a language barrier. PS this is America you want to live and thrive here, than learn the language...
 
warwickben said:
This is a mix bag of shit.

I was born 90% def and learned asl before English . I learn better from being shown or from reading then being spoken to.I got my hearing fixed when I was 6 btw but still have trouble with spelling not reading though. so I understand if you understand one thing better you'd wanna learn it that way. But not knowing English and having a gun and dealing with a cop could be very very bad.

I for one think half the problem with the dumbing down of this country and some of the problems we have is your no longer forced to learn english.
So people move here , don't bother learning English and have kids. They don't use English at home so there kids fall behind in school. It's not just Spanish . But if you speak Spanish your better off then if you only speak German ,Russian etc .


I for one think a country should pic one language and that's it no signs no nothing in any thing else . Only places that should have aids for non English speakers are airports .
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+1 Bingo.
 
A Spanish BFS class is good for all Massachusetts gun owners. Here’s why:



  • Every person should have the ability to protect themselves and their family. Gun ownership is a human right

    It was not long ago that one of MFS’s instructor’s (a British citizen and former soldier) successfully sued the state winning the right of non-citizens to own handguns. Eoin will be sworn in as a US citizen shortly. That Brit, through his efforts, did much to preserve American freedoms.

    How did winning handgun ownership for non-citizens help Americans? It helped us because it rolled back liberal policies that make gun ownership a privilege. Gun ownership is not a privilege the state grants as it chooses.

    Owning firearms is a right of freemen. Ask the ground and it will tell you. This is the same ground that received the blood of our forefathers who freed us from tyranny (no offense to our resident Brit [smile] ).

  • With a Spanish class, existing gun owners have an opportunity to reach out to friends and family who otherwise would use language as an excuse for not becoming a gun owner. Gun ownership brings an awareness of gun rights issues, as well as, the need for taking personal responsibility. Socialist, anti-gunners want a dependent population. Gun ownership is contrary to that mentality.

  • It is in the interest of all Massachusetts gun owners to get as many people as possible licensed. Fellow gun owners will vote for their guns. Do you want to roll back draconian Mass gun laws? One way to do it is by getting as many people as possible graduated into our ranks.

  • From a safety perspective, it is better for a person to receive firearms training in the language they understand best. For example, in our Spanish class the instructor will be able to cover in detail how to handle potential police and safety encounters. Educating gun owners is good for all of us.

Furthermore, the existence of our class has nothing to do with the need of people to assimilate into the culture in which they live. There is no question that individuals who fail to assimilate will endure economic hardships. They also run the risk of being forced into a life of being a taker as opposed to a maker.

What our Spanish class does do is remove another barrier to people exercising the rights of freemen. Massachusetts is one of the only states that requires a person to have a license to own a firearm. As gun owners, it is in our best interest to help as many people as we can into the sport.

On the other hand, it is in the interest of the anti-gun community to make gun ownership as difficult as possible. We do not share their philosophy.
 
Mass Firearms School said:
A Spanish BFS class is good for all Massachusetts gun owners. Here’s why:

  • Every person should have the ability to protect themselves and their family. Gun ownership is a human right

    It was not long ago that one of MFS’s instructor’s (a British citizen and former soldier) successfully sued the state winning the right of non-citizens to own handguns. Eoin will be sworn in as a US citizen shortly. That Brit, through his efforts, did much to preserve American freedoms.

    How did winning handgun ownership for non-citizens help Americans? It helped us because it rolled back liberal policies that make gun ownership a privilege. Gun ownership is not a privilege the state grants as it chooses.

    Owning firearms is a right of freemen. Ask the ground and it will tell you. This is the same ground that received the blood of our forefathers who freed us from tyranny (no offense to our resident Brit [smile] ).

  • With a Spanish class, existing gun owners have an opportunity to reach out to friends and family who otherwise would use language as an excuse for not becoming a gun owner. Gun ownership brings an awareness of gun rights issues, as well as, the need for taking personal responsibility. Socialist, anti-gunners want a dependent population. Gun ownership is contrary to that mentality.

  • It is in the interest of all Massachusetts gun owners to get as many people as possible licensed. Fellow gun owners will vote for their guns. Do you want to roll back draconian Mass gun laws? One way to do it is by getting as many people as possible graduated into our ranks.

  • From a safety perspective, it is better for a person to receive firearms training in the language they understand best. For example, in our Spanish class the instructor will be able to cover in detail how to handle potential police and safety encounters. Educating gun owners is good for all of us.

Furthermore, the existence of our class has nothing to do with the need of people to assimilate into the culture in which they live. There is no question that individuals who fail to assimilate will endure economic hardships. They also run the risk of being forced into a life of being a taker as opposed to a maker.

What our Spanish class does do is remove another barrier to people exercising the rights of freemen. Massachusetts is one of the only states that requires a person to have a license to own a firearm. As gun owners, it is in our best interest to help as many people as we can into the sport.

On the other hand, it is in the interest of the anti-gun community to make gun ownership as difficult as possible. We do not share their philosophy.
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+1


Yo no entiendo la advocidad por control de armas aqui.
 
Harpua said:
It's not a win win. Read ALL posts and see my reasoning. I don't want someone I can't communicate with to be holding a loaded firearm in my country and I'm quite positive that I speak for the majority. If you want to enjoy the freedoms of this great country, then learn the national language. It's as simple as that. You are getting heated over nothing and regurgitating whatever some professor or newspaper told you instead of paying attention to actual safety concerns of your fellow, English speaking Americans. Other countries would not even give you the time of day, yet you want to defend anybody that steps foot on our soil. THAT is scary.
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I respect your opinion, but I'm not sure if you are aware of how things work in the rest of your country. Here in Arizona you don't even need to be a U.S. Citizen to purchase and carry a firearm openly or concealed, nor do you need a permission slip from the government. Carrying a firearm in defense of yourself and your family isn't a freedom exclusive to U.S. Citizens. It's a basic human right and it should be freely exercises without ANY restrictions at all.
 
I had my rant worked up, then MFS ruined it with a perfectly rational and civil response that made the same points I was going to make.

+1 rep anyway, MFS!

I'll only add this: with a rail pass I would be perfectly comfortable traveling in Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, or Germany. I would manage just fine on my tourist-grade knowledge of Spanish, Italian, and German (and could fake my way in related languages).

But, do you know what they don't teach in basic language courses, or even very advanced language courses? Legal terminology. Technical gun terminology. Emergency medical language.

Someone who has absolutely no problem living daily life in America and conducting all their business in English will be safer, more knowledgeable, and better informed if they receive that kind of instruction in their native language.
 
I can not believe the advocacy for gun control on this board. "language barrier" " non-natives"


north east liberals.
 
Harpua said:
I love your facility and I'm not trying to start a firestorm here, but I don't agree with this at all. One reason why - if a person who can not speak english has a LTC-A and for some reason has interaction with the police (traffic stop, etc), it could be a bad scenario if the officer somehow sees the firearm. Unless the officer is bilingual, he can not communicate with a citizen who could ultimately be carrying a loaded firearm and someone could get hurt or even killed by what would ultimately be a misunderstanding/lack of communication.
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Okay, I have to reply to this one as well. You're using the possibility of illegal excessive force by insufficiently trained law enforcement as a defense of your opinion? That kinda blows my mind, and I'm an evil DHS agent.
 
ochmude said:
Okay, I have to reply to this one as well. You're using the possibility of illegal excessive force by insufficiently trained law enforcement as a defense of your opinion? That kinda blows my mind, and I'm an evil DHS agent.
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no, you're NOT fat. you're "colored" (sp) and that's why they hate us.

they don't want us to have guns.
 
Bob P said:
Seriously? The Constitution doesn't have a language barrier.
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A key battle being fought in various cases regards the simple question "Does the 2nd enjoy the same protections as the 1st and 2nd-9th?"? Just imagine any of those other items in the bill of rights being subject to a language requirement.
 
Harpua said:
It's not a win win. Read ALL posts and see my reasoning. I don't want someone I can't communicate with to be holding a loaded firearm in my country and I'm quite positive that I speak for the majority. If you want to enjoy the freedoms of this great country, then learn the national language. It's as simple as that. You are getting heated over nothing and regurgitating whatever some professor or newspaper told you instead of paying attention to actual safety concerns of your fellow, English speaking Americans. Other countries would not even give you the time of day, yet you want to defend anybody that steps foot on our soil. THAT is scary.
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Well, isn't it their country too? There's no official "English language" nothing that forces anyone to learn a language (whether you agree or not, that's a fact). I don't think anyone here is advocating for illegal aliens to have gun rights, there's laws in place for that. If there documented resident aliens or citizens they have varying rights in states to either have / not have long guns or pistols. Also from what an earlier member said if I recall some states allow illegals (that's there law and if the states people don't like it, then change it)

My earlier rant, was edited (not by me) thankfully, however is to the point. It was directed at all who choose to discriminate against "Legal" people for being given the opportunity to "pay" to be better informed / educated firearms owners.

If you believe in laws of "other countries" go there. I believe every non Ill, legal or not, bearing sole who steps foot on MY country's soil should be protected (meaning if there illegal non threatening etc.. Send them right back without remorse and without harm) If there legal what's the problem?

By your logic Jacques from France comes to check out "Our" country with his wife. they have their passports, there liberals, but otherwise normal legal folks. Lets say a couple of white boys decide there gonna beat his head in and take the misses for a little fun. We shouldn't feel obliged to come to his aid via police / medical? Personally I'd step (directly or indirectly) I'm sure most of us would (or at least think we would) either through direct intervention or by calling the cops etc...


Thanks to whoever edited my language choice earlier. If I offended anyone by that I'm sorry. (Language choice only)

And to you Harpua:

I understand your point of view. I'm not in favor of being "politically correct", dumbing down of our kids by teachers pushing agendas or the pussification of our society that I see every day. I just don't see how this applies to the topic. Also I was pretty dismayed when I typed my post last night, and didn't really care about the "NES posting guidelines" luckily there are even tempered and rational moderators here to "fix" mistakes in those situations.






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jar said:
I read all of the posts, and I can tell exactly who the gun grabbing racists are.
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Easy with the gun grabbing racist talk. You don't know me from a hole in the wall. If anyone here actually did - you'd know that your statement is ridiculous. I stated my opinions and that's the end of it. If people want to make it into more than what it is then that's on them. This will be the last thing I say on this thread as we are beating a dead horse at this point.
 
Knuckle Dragger said:
Maybe people should be required to demonstrate literacy before they're allowed to exercise their right to vote too.
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I remember having to read a paragraph in English at the Town Clerk's office in order to register to vote in each town that I have lived in after turning 21 (2 states, 4 towns), last time being mid-1970s. A few years ago I do recall reading that to become a US Citizen you had to read English as part of the process. Don't know if that is still true or not. I'll admit that any test can be abused, but I do wish that people had to read a ballot in English before being given the right to vote (it'll save us from the "hanging chad" excuses when things don't turn out the way their handlers told them to vote)!

Now that said, the US has NEVER adopted an "official language" to date. Shortly if they were to do so, it will likely be Spanish! [wink]


jcetto0351 said:
Also, what about brand new shooters who are BILINGUAL but would comprehend the material easier in Spanish???
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This is the most compelling reason IMNSHO to do this. When learning foreign languages they are taught to be conversational and usually don't include technical terminology (as someone else pointed out), so learning gun laws and gun safety in your native language will likely result in better retention of the material.

All that said, I would agree that people in the US should all make the attempt to learn English at least to the conversational level in order to better assimilate. This includes those that only speak "rap" or "ghetto", not just what we assume to be "foreign" languages. [wink]
 
The only way gun laws are ever going to change in Massachusetts is if the number of gun owners increases, and MFS does a great job of exposing and "normalizing" firearms to people who otherwise would have no formal experience with them. This is simply expanding that base in a concerted effort to bring about a change that just about everyone here wants. I wonder what some of you who are raising hell about this have done to further The Cause in Massachusetts? Having 10,000 posts on NES doesn't count as an answer.
 
First off, I'm amazed this thread isn't locked yet
Second, I am all for diversity, I Think its a smart business move for MFS to do this.
But, I am a strong believer in people learning our national language of English. If I go to another country they don't cator to me not knowing their language. America is horribly fantastic at holding people hands. Creating non English classes only prevents the need to learn English. It promotes laziness. If you never had the option to take a drivers license test in spanish, or dial 1 for spanish (or any other language) you can bet your ass more people would be learning English.
 


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Eta: replace "negro" with "non-native" speaker and voila.....
 
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