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MJ and CC?

Prior to the MJ legalization, but after decriminalization, <1 oz was a citation, and MGL specifically prohibited the issuance of an MJ citation being used as the basis for denial of any state license or benefit.

Now that it is legal, there is no specific protection against using one's use of the heathen devil weed as a basis for suitability.

Plus, there are the federal issues.
 
SpaceCritter said:
I had to Google:
Decarboxylating Cannabis to Activate THC
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I should have said heat(cook) or smoke it, I guess. The chemist/geek in me looked it up too.

For the record, not a user at all, but I did do some research on it when I was shown some data on how some of the non-psychoactive CBD oils extracted from it were helping children with severe epilepsy.
 
You are in violation of Federal law but state and local police aren't obligated to enforce those laws. Honestly, the cops in my town couldn't give 2 squirts of piss about Marijuana. They're concerned with real problems like heroin and other opiates.
 
Radtekk said:
And to clarify, I'm a MUCH bigger fan of pot than booze. I'm also a much bigger fan of comfort than poverty, so my libertarian desires crash HARD in to my practicality. Good tequila and comfy couch beats fattie and milk crate every time...
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Its interesting that the most likes i received on NES are in a pot thread. All we need now is "blindfire" to show up and admit trumps a better president than h-dog or Obama and life will be complete....
Personally i never partake in the devils lettuce, its why im such a mentally stable genious like our president... and hes a teetotaler.
 
Bmcl322 said:
Good on ya for stopping. The one thing I'll never understand in this debate is why there isn't more talk about lung cancer. The Tar that regular MJ users have on their fingers & teeth is very visible. Same Tar that ends up in their lungs. Not a big fan of the fact that my health care dollars, that I paid into the system, will be going toward their Chemo and Radiation, that will run into the $100s of thousands of dollars (I know because my Dad died of cancer recently). Same feeling with people that choose to smoke. That said, I believe it should be people's choice whether to smoke or not. ....but should I have to pay for their health care costs that come from their bad health choices? ....just a thought...
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If you believe in this then you'll be just fine with the insurance companies charging people more $$$ for healthcare if they're over the median weight for their height, and other risk factors, right? You'll be just fine with genetic
testing to see if you're predisposed to a given disease, etc, and assessed a penalty for having bad genetics, I'm
sure. Careful where you wish to go with this- it doesn't take long before things reach "full retard".

-Mike
 
Most PDs are telling officers to not even ask about MJ. The smell of MJ isn't being used as a reason to search or ask questions etc.

Its not illegal in this state anymore.. I know its hard to wrap your head around, but 99% of LEO don't care about it.. At all.

I wouldn't be too worried about it. Could you get f***ed outta your LTC somehow? Sure, if you get the right LEO, DA, IO that wants to f*** with you. That being said they could f*** with you about anything.

I do access control at federal facilities from time to time and even there we just tell people we catch with MJ to take it off property.
 
Im fairly cetrain in MA they were selectively enforcing mj law anyway.
In western MA it seems the PD are thrilled not to enforce MJ laws..so they can focus on real crime
 
Interesting where people draw the line on socialism and personal responsibility. Disallowing private businesses that sell “insurance” from leveraging all available actuarial data to price their product is a perfect example of government regulation overreach. The result is classics socialist wealth redistribution where people who make healthy choices pay for those who do not. Genetic predisposition while not under your voluntary control does not change the statistics. Don’t like the price of the product, don’t buy it.

I find a lot of people have blind spots in their proclaimed libertarian belief systems. Health care is a common one as is the pre-crime charge of OUI.

drgrant said:
If you believe in this then you'll be just fine with the insurance companies charging people more $$$ for healthcare if they're over the median weight for their height, and other risk factors, right? You'll be just fine with genetic
testing to see if you're predisposed to a given disease, etc, and assessed a penalty for having bad genetics, I'm
sure. Careful where you wish to go with this- it doesn't take long before things reach "full retard".

-Mike
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drgrant said:
If you believe in this then you'll be just fine with the insurance companies charging people more $$$ for healthcare if they're over the median weight for their height, and other risk factors, right? You'll be just fine with genetic
testing to see if you're predisposed to a given disease, etc, and assessed a penalty for having bad genetics, I'm
sure. Careful where you wish to go with this- it doesn't take long before things reach "full retard".

-Mike
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Appreciate the feedback. Boy, those are extremes. Exact opposite actually. None of that can happen. The less rules the better. Just like Government. K.I.S.S. Just a bummer that alcoholics that are also drug addicts, that are in and out of rehab, that have a prescription for MJ for their nerves (that we also pay for), that are also obese, that also smoke 3 packs a day; probably get free health care because they can't work, because of their bad health. (Just having fun by using extremes in the opposite direction). While on the other hand I thoughtfully choose to be none of those things, yet I'm expected to pay $100,000 total, over the next five years, into the broken healthcare system, as a self employed person, for a family of 5. I agree with you that the idea of things like genetic testing is absurd, and honestly don't know why you would bring things like that up. If you look back at my post, I'm simply stating two points: Smoking Pot poses a health care risk re: lung cancer, that is surprisingly not mentioned very often, and posing a question about what is fair. Wishing u the best!
 
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My wife was just reading an article in the T&G about in PA you either can have MJ or your guns but not both. Govt. just doesn't understand the words: "Shall not be infringed"
 
Only on NES can a simple question about carrying a plant evolve (devolve?) into a libertarian vs statist question about data analytics on health insurance. [smile]

So the answer is: illegal at the fed level, legal-ish at the state level except for massprudence, and likely a suitabilty issue once LTC renewal comes around, and a perjury or deny on a 4473 if you actually use it and buy a firearm - because it is still a schedule 1 narcotic.

Awesome, no scotch for me. [bs2] None for him either.
 
JayMcB said:
Only on NES can a simple question about carrying a plant evolve (devolve?) into a libertarian vs statist question about data analytics on health insurance. [smile]

So the answer is: illegal at the fed level, legal-ish at the state level except for massprudence, and likely a suitabilty issue once LTC renewal comes around, and a perjury or deny on a 4473 if you actually use it and buy a firearm - because it is still a schedule 1 narcotic.

Awesome, no scotch for me. [bs2] None for him either.
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I still think the best comment was the one about swatting him. [rofl2]
 
1. Don't do the marrahhhjawannahhh.

2. If you do the marrahhhjawannahhh, don't tell people!!!!!

3. I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson's credit cards are cancelled by now. He's been dead for a while.
 
CrackPot said:
Genetic predisposition while not under your voluntary control does not change the statistics.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this.

There are genetic markers that are strongly correlated with an increased risk of expensive claims (BRCA1 and BRCA2 for example), and the marker for Huntington's means you will get it if you live long enough. So, one cannot sidestep the issue by claiming that genetic testing does not provide valid information about risk completely unrelated to lifestyle choices.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
I'm not sure what you mean by this.

There are genetic markers that are strongly correlated with an increased risk of expensive claims (BRCA1 and BRCA2 for example), and the marker for Huntington's means you will get it if you live long enough. So, one cannot sidestep the issue by claiming that genetic testing does not provide valid information about risk completely unrelated to lifestyle choices.
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I am saying health insurance cost based on genetic testing is perfectly reasonable. Certain genetic markers statistically mean higher risk (100% in some cases) of certain conditions/diseases.
 
wahsben said:
In regards to immigration, yes. In regards to gun owners rights not so much.
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This. Odds are if your pulled in ....your COP if he's so inclined will pull your permit because you are violating federal law and one of the questions on the MA LTC application. Police need very little reason if any to deny you your rights in this shithole.

However, lets be realistic. And I could care less about this because I never touched the crap.

A) If you have the legal amount or less of pot on you and you tell them that....why are you being detained?

B) You are under no obligation to tell them you are carrying until they pull you out of the car. You may not even be pulled out, as a lot of cops don't care about MJ anymore and would just send you on your way if there are no other issues.
 
I have a good friend who is a cop and he just goes red zone about dui.
That includes pot.
I don’t share his views, but that’s just the way he is wired.
He’s a good guy, but just don’t go there with the behind the wheel messed up thing,he will bag you up ,no mercy.

And he will tune you up at the first sign of any guy popping off.

So, if you don’t have a ton of lawyer money to waste,

It’s not worth being the test case if you meet him or someone who thinks like him.
 
Bmcl322 said:
Appreciate the feedback. Boy, those are extremes. Exact opposite actually. None of that can happen. The less rules the better. Just like Government. K.I.S.S. Just a bummer that alcoholics that are also drug addicts, that are in and out of rehab, that have a prescription for MJ for their nerves (that we also pay for), that are also obese, that also smoke 3 packs a day; probably get free health care because they can't work, because of their bad health. (Just having fun by using extremes in the opposite direction). While on the other hand I thoughtfully choose to be none of those things, yet I'm expected to pay $100,000 total, over the next five years, into the broken healthcare system, as a self employed person, for a family of 5. I agree with you that the idea of things like genetic testing is absurd, and honestly don't know why you would bring things like that up. If you look back at my post, I'm simply stating two points: Smoking Pot poses a health care risk re: lung cancer, that is surprisingly not mentioned very often, and posing a question about what is fair. Wishing u the best!
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LOL, and you really believe that that the shit ends of the risk pool (like fatty mc donut pothead guy) are a huge component of your insurance costs? And that it has nothing to do with the fact that hospitals do stuff like charge $50 for a tylenol, or that the AMA arbitrarily limits the supply of doctors in the marketplace....

This is exactly what the "healthcare industrial complex" types want you to think- they want you to bitch about donut mc fatty, while ignoring their responsibility for
90% of the rape/carnage. (and the .gov regulations helping them do it)

I think if we had a real free market there might be an incremental price difference between risk pools based on DNA or behavioral things, but I think in the end most of that stuff would get lost in the noise. The nostrum of a huge actuarial difference between these groups of people is largely mythical.

ETA: IF we had an insurance system for major medical stuff there might be a
substantial difference over a person's lifespan, but IMHO this still isn't most of the reason you pay too much for health insurance.

-Mike
 
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Bmcl322 said:
Good on ya for stopping. The one thing I'll never understand in this debate is why there isn't more talk about lung cancer. The Tar that regular MJ users have on their fingers & teeth is very visible. Same Tar that ends up in their lungs. Not a big fan of the fact that my health care dollars, that I paid into the system, will be going toward their Chemo and Radiation, that will run into the $100s of thousands of dollars (I know because my Dad died of cancer recently). Same feeling with people that choose to smoke. That said, I believe it should be people's choice whether to smoke or not. ....but should I have to pay for their health care costs that come from their bad health choices? ....just a thought...
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Do you have this same objection to people who drink liquor and hurt their organs? What about obviously over weight people who add billions to healthcare. Where does your moral compass sit in this? Studies have shown time and time again weed has much less carcinogens than ciggerettes. To make this point is laughable and shows you are very uninformed
 
I'm obviously on a lot of peoples ignore list, there is no lung cancer from edibles or with the oils which I use that cut out all the carcinogens. I don't believe people will be smoking the leafy stuff for much longer and if they do so f***in what are we Libertarians or not.
 
CrackPot said:
Interesting where people draw the line on socialism and personal responsibility. Disallowing private businesses that sell “insurance” from leveraging all available actuarial data to price their product is a perfect example of government regulation overreach. The result is classics socialist wealth redistribution where people who make healthy choices pay for those who do not. Genetic predisposition while not under your voluntary control does not change the statistics. Don’t like the price of the product, don’t buy it.
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I'd be completely fine with such testing if all regulation was removed. Allowing it now though, in the current retarded market? That just adds an extra layer to the "fog of blame", it's exactly what the people making bank off the industry want- they want the anger about healthcare directed towards someone else.... lol.

Again, I also think that if you were to balance that stuff out against the average, the numbers in an actuarial sense wouldn't look so bad if the product wasn't woefully overpriced to begin with. Yeah, people with risks would pay more, but if basic costs were less retarded, it wouldn't seem so extreme.

-Mike
 
devo86 said:
Do you have this same objection to people who drink liquor and hurt their organs? What about obviously over weight people who add billions to healthcare. Where does your moral compass sit in this? Studies have shown time and time again weed has much less carcinogens than ciggerettes. To make this point is laughable and shows you are very uninformed
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They both have damaging effects to your lungs and body. ....and I say this with a big smile and only in jest; When your wife gets pregnant, have her smoke weed starting at conception. ....and good luck with your inaccurate perspective. Also, regarding you thinking I have an objection, I guess you didn't read what I wrote. People should be able to do what they want, including; drink or smoke.
 
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drgrant said:
LOL, and you really believe that that the shit ends of the risk pool (like fatty mc donut pothead guy) are a huge component of your insurance costs? And that it has nothing to do with the fact that hospitals do stuff like charge $50 for a tylenol, or that the AMA arbitrarily limits the supply of doctors in the marketplace....

This is exactly what the "healthcare industrial complex" types want you to think- they want you to bitch about donut mc fatty, while ignoring their responsibility for
90% of the rape/carnage. (and the .gov regulations helping them do it)

I think if we had a real free market there might be an incremental price difference between risk pools based on DNA or behavioral things, but I think in the end most of that stuff would get lost in the noise. The nostrum of a huge actuarial difference between these groups of people is largely mythical.

ETA: IF we had an insurance system for major medical stuff there might be a
substantial difference over a person's lifespan, but IMHO this still isn't most of the reason you pay too much for health insurance.

-Mike
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Thanks for your perspective Mike!! Again, kinda grabbing at extremes (or, perhaps a bigger issue than I was addressing). No, I don't, re: risk pool, insurance costs... Not my feeling and not sure why you say it. Certainly not what I wrote.

To help us along, because we agree: My Dad and Mom both died recently, and my Dad, an amazing guy, had Cancer. Horrible illness! His costs were in the $100s of thousands over a 4 year battle. They both made it to their 80s with almost no cost to the system because of good living, but at the end "the system", and the absurd expenses in that system, were the problem. Agreed that, and I like the way you put it, "fatty Mc Donut Pothead guy" pales in comparison to the larger issues at hand.

As an aside, I think you should send your idea for "Fatty Mc Donut Pothead Guy" into Saturday Night Live. Sounds like an awesome skit!! (my laugh when I read it was audible to my wife in the other room)

Best,
Bri
 
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