I still use Lee lube on a pad, and a single stage press. I picked her up today. $370.00 NIB. It is the 24" octagonal barrel w/ case hardened frame. List is $554.00. With the load data I have, it is between the .44 special and .44 mag. Should make a fine under 100 yard deer rifle. I may have to get into cowboy shooting, it makes a nice match to my .44 1858 New Army cap and ball. Both use the same bullets. You should see the .45-120 Earl has. It is the "Quigly" rifle, including the tang sight. $875.00 NIB is a little rich for my blood. JP