Ball ammo has no place in a defensive firearm.
you are wrong about the wrong things you say.
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Ball ammo has no place in a defensive firearm.
Why not?Ball ammo has no place in a defensive firearm.
you are wrong about the wrong things you say.
Worst case an unopened hp will act as a ball but in a generic situation you cannot predict distance of an engagement nor percentage of your successful hits at that distance.Why not?
Not quite. Springs can wear while static in the compressed state. It depends on if the spring reaches its elastic limit. And that totally depends on the design of the spring/magazine dimensions/capacity etc. Don’t assume all manufacturers take that into account when designing their mags.1. Great!
2. No. Compressed springs don't wear, compressing/decompressing is what wears them. No worries.
3. Buy a bigger one than you now think you will need.
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The issue with 380 JHP isn’t that it won’t expand reliably. It’s that you won’t get reliable penetration. It’s a very real issue. FMJ is a better option for 380 than JHP.Worst case an unopened hp will act as a ball but in a generic situation you cannot predict distance of an engagement nor percentage of your successful hits at that distance.
Therefore you always load your defensive weapon with rounds that can provide maximum potential efficiency at the hit.
I have never shot ball rounds outside of the range and not going to charge my habits, but, it is a free country. I just honestly believe it is an incredibly stupid idea.
Wrong. But I’m not going to get into an argument.Ball ammo has no place in a defensive firearm.
This is what I use given the availability. Works great espeacily out of short barrels that don’t provide the needed velocity for HP expansion. Tough to get right now though. I have a WTB/WTT add up for it.LeHigh 90gr Xtreme Penetrator either loaded by them, or by Underwood. It seems gimmicky, but works. Penetrates as much as FMJ, but produces wound channels like hollow point.
No kidding? I’ve been on their site and never noticed.This is actually still the “official” recommendation on the Buffalo bore website.
I agree no pistol caliber is an 12ga slug.As for the lethality of FMJ, it’s not that much worse than JHP for rounds like 9mm or 45ACP.
What? What does grizzly hunting with an AK have to do with anything?I agree no pistol caliber is an 12ga slug.
But I do not agree that FMJ is not much worse than JHP. It is same as going to hunt a grizzly with an AK47.
To each his own, I personally will continue carrying 147gr elite v-crown JHP. Not a 115gr fmj Tula.
Speaking specifically on the 380 in the product description.No kidding? I’ve been on their site and never noticed.
I do have spare mags for carry and home defense. Some are HP and some are ball. None are staggered. But I can pick a mag for a given reason.
Truth! People tend to try and get away when the bullets fly. And those seconds seem like forever!ESP if you think of the average gun fight being 3 shots at 3 yards and
3 seconds... if you need a 4th...
It’s a different world nowNeed to remember that wars are fought with FMJ’s
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Well, the hollow point in those BTHP absolutely do affect fragmentation. But like you said, the 1899 Hague convention banned expanding bullets. Not hollow points. Fragmentation is not expanding. So the their hollow points are irrelevant.Let's not drag the military into this. The Den Haag convention explicitly banned expanding ammo, so JHP aren't an option. The only reason why .mil is getting away with open tips in the M118 and mk262 is because those hollow points are for accuracy only, and do not affect expansion/fragmentation.
Speaking of some military habits - you can always get a knife and X tops of your rounds...Well, the hollow point in those BTHP absolutely do affect fragmentation. But like you said, the 1899 Hague convention banned expanding bullets. Not hollow points. Fragmentation is not expanding. So the their hollow points are irrelevant.
That said, the U.S. is not a signatory of that section of the 1899 Hague convention. Our conventional forces just opt to follow it.
I think SS1s point was that FMJ will still take down threats. That said, military use cases have different requirements than personal/home defense in the U.S. And there’s no arguing against JHP being more effective.
Pistol ammo is not the same. Sweet Jesus. Its wounding characteristics are much different than rifles. You can’t say they pistol JHP is the same as expanding copper rifle rounds or fragmenting rifle rounds.Speaking of some military habits - you can always get a knife and X tops of your rounds...
effectiveness of a bullet is defined by the speed of a transition of most of its kinetic energy - the faster it stops - more damage it will cause to organs tissues. Hydraulic shock, heat, rapture.
Fast Fmj can be just like a clean stab wound. Same as what I spoke about hunting a bear with an AKM and standard military ammo - it will make a lot of holes in the bear indeed, and bear will die of it of course, eventually, but well after it will rip all the guts out of stupid hunter. So you use an ammo with an adequate stopping power on a bigger game.
Pistol ammo is same.
Sure isIt’s a different world now
Until that day...... I'm still hoping they make an air freshener that smells like leaded gas
Dam, that gave me some thoughts--I remember in the 80’s it was common to load 3-4 hollow points then fill the rest with ball ammo.
thinking was if the first shots did not do it, then you needed to penetrate cover as it was at that point a full on gun fight.
I don’t disagree...
Here’s a really interesting concept for ammunition. Funny, it’s hard to find this on YouTube. Larry Seecamp had partnered with someone and put a patent on the bullets.
View: https://youtu.be/rbG7mQ7QMSY
You obviously don't hunt. Never hollow points for bear or moose. Don't take my work for it, just Google it. If you had to shoot a bear with an AK, the last thing you would want in your magazine is hollow points.Fast Fmj can be just like a clean stab wound. Same as what I spoke about hunting a bear with an AKM and standard military ammo - it will make a lot of holes in the bear indeed, and bear will die of it of course, eventually, but well after it will rip all the guts out of stupid hunter.