New MA legal rifle from B&T

milktree said:
I have no idea. It's baffling because it's such a weird "way too conservative but also not very conservative" interpretation. I get that they want to protect their membership by giving guidance that will (maybe) keep them out of jail, but this is such a weird and bizarre way to make that stand.

There's only two options:

Healey's 7/20/16 tantrum/decree was legally meaningful and everything post 9/13/94 is illegal to possess, even stuff sold between '94 and '16 (regardless of the AG's intention to enforce the ban)

- OR -

Her decree was pure political posturing with no force of law, and anything that meets the definition of "Assault-Style Firearm" that was lawfully possessed in Mass. on 8/1/24 is free from any encumbrances and you can do anything you want with it.

There are no edge or corner cases where a gun might fall into any sort of 7/20/16 trap. None. There is no way that date is meaningful.

If someone can prove me wrong, if someone can come up with some set of circumstances/history/features that makes that date meaningful I'd really love to hear it.
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Good, I’m not losing my mind. That was the point I was trying to make with my edit/addition. There’s no world in which 2016 really matters.
 
pastera said:
Goal is taking the position for two reasons.

1 - They are taking the most pessimistic view to keep people out of trouble from shitty police departments.

2 - Lawsuits. The 2016 date is by definition an arbitrary and capricious ban on commonly owned arms. Forcing the state to defend every word of the law in court, creating a clear baseline interpretation so that the state can't spew different interpretations between the court and public announcements.
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Except that for #1 it’s not the most pessimistic interpretation (94 is). And regarding #2, I guess I could see GOAL taking the position for that purpose but not Guida. And if Guida is advising GOAL it means they’re both just being stupid, not strategic. And them arguing that 2016 is arbitrary is fighting yesterday’s battle, when the war has very clearly moved on.
 
not new guy said:
Good, I’m not losing my mind. That was the point I was trying to make with my edit/addition. There’s no world in which 2016 really matters.
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Exactly.

I'm 100% sure all that "copies and duplicates" language is in there purely because Healey et al were all buthurt that her tantrum didn't make any difference, and they wanted to soothe her ego.
 
pastera said:
1 - They are taking the most pessimistic view to keep people out of trouble from shitty police departments.
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Nothing will keep you out of trouble with shitty police departments. You could have a pre-94 rifle and a shitty police department would still arrest you and put you through the ringer. Cops have no idea how to identify which firearms are legal and which are not. Even before this new bill, most cops could not tell if something was p&w, loctite, or just screwed on tightly. If it looks like an ASF and they want to make your life miserable, you're seeing the inside of a jail cell.
 
Too bad this thread became another ban/pre-ban thread instead of more on the B&T

The most successful gun shop will capitalize on the current situation no matter what the status of the laws. In fact I think the hysteria helps sales because it gives them something to market to everyone. This particular B&T doesn't seem innovative at all, unless you consider skirting MA law to be innovative. Nice gun, well made, unexciting, and way too expensive.
 
67ray said:
Too bad this thread became another ban/pre-ban thread instead of more on the B&T
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those who have paid stupid prices for pre-ban shit cannot just accept the new reality, that all that was simply made into a vapor.
 
67ray said:
Too bad this thread became another ban/pre-ban thread instead of more on the B&T

The most successful gun shop will capitalize on the current situation no matter what the status of the laws. In fact I think the hysteria helps sales because it gives them something to market to everyone. This particular B&T doesn't seem innovative at all, unless you consider skirting MA law to be innovative. Nice gun, well made, unexciting, and way too expensive.
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As someone who bought 3 B&T firearms summer of 2024 knowing the 8/1 ban was coming, I can agree my credit card is finally back to normal. It was an expensive past summer
 
No. Hell no. I'm a bit of a patient man and I'm confident the Supreme Court will shut them down much sooner than later. I'm not buying a micky-mouse gun to get around things. (I did that once with a fixed-mag pistol lower.)
 
Broc Tuah said:
But it is not a pistol.
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that is what my tongue in cheek was about.
just build a normal pistol, and skip all the wunderbeasts abominations.

but if one wants to shell out $5k in the attempt to circumnavigate the details that later can be 'corrected' with a single stroke of the legislative pen - well, to each their own.
 
paul73 said:
that is what my tongue in cheek was about.
just build a normal pistol, and skip all the wunderbeasts abominations.

but if one wants to shell out $5k in the attempt to circumnavigate the details that later can be 'corrected' with a single stroke of the legislative pen - well, to each their own.
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My confusion is around why the stock is pinned.

I thought that wasn't a thing anymore with the new law. Same with a threaded muzzle brake.

Speaking about a rifle.
 
Broc Tuah said:
My confusion is around why the stock is pinned.

I thought that wasn't a thing anymore with the new law. Same with a threaded muzzle brake.

Speaking about a rifle.
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Those features are still banned for anything not in Mass. on 8/1
 
paul73 said:
that is what my tongue in cheek was about.
just build a normal pistol, and skip all the wunderbeasts abominations.

but if one wants to shell out $5k in the attempt to circumnavigate the details that later can be 'corrected' with a single stroke of the legislative pen - well, to each their own.
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It's exceedingly unlike the legislature will repeal the AWB in MA. The only hope in this state in Scotus, and as things are looking, we should know by later this year hopefully.
 
zevana said:
It's exceedingly unlike the legislature will repeal the AWB in MA. The only hope in this state in Scotus, and as things are looking, we should know by later this year hopefully.
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i do not even dream of a repeal, i expect it to get worse. or much worse.
 
Da_lucche said:
So does this mean someone can take a rail, mlok or some shit, and cut the sides open like the rail on the B&T and be "good to go" to circumvent the new law?
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Nope. There’s still all the other feature tests in the “Assault-Style Firearm” definition you have to avoid.
 
Da_lucche said:
So does this mean someone can take a rail, mlok or some shit, and cut the sides open like the rail on the B&T and be "good to go" to circumvent the new law?
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Much like with the stupid former flash hider "rules", it likely counts for something when the manufacturer specifically calls it out as "not a handguard".
I wonder if it would 'count' if an 07 ffl did it...
All garbage that makes no practical sense but we're stuck with it, for a while anyway.
 
wcorey said:
Much like with the stupid former flash hider "rules", it likely counts for something when the manufacturer specifically calls it out as "not a handguard".
I wonder if it would 'count' if an 07 ffl did it...
All garbage that makes no practical sense but we're stuck with it, for a while anyway.
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Thousands of pre 8/1 lowers were sold at the Mill.

None of those people want to sell a lower for $2,000.00?

You'll still come out ahead buying a pre 8/1 lower and putting a nice upper on it.
 
Reptile said:
Thousands of pre 8/1 lowers were sold at the Mill.

None of those people want to sell a lower for $2,000.00?

You'll still come out ahead buying a pre 8/1 lower and putting a nice upper on it.
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Yeah, but an AR platform isn't the only gun type out there with a forward handguard, some people may want other choices.
If this flies I'd guess we'll be soon be seeing aftermarket 'forward accessory rails not designed/intended to shield heat' for AR's and other platforms...
 
wcorey said:
Yeah, but an AR platform isn't the only gun type out there with a forward handguard, some people may want other choices.
If this flies I'd guess we'll be soon be seeing aftermarket 'forward accessory rails not designed/intended to shield heat' for AR's and other platforms...
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They are cripple guns.

Better off paying a premium and having a real AR.

I'm seeing $30 Anderson lowers going for $400 on NES.

Still better than a cripple gun.
 

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