Obama to end Don't ask, Don't tell

[Admin]

That explains why the blur mark on your nude photo was only 4 pixels.

 

[RI_John]

That explains why the blur mark on your nude photo was only 4 pixels.

Yes, but they were 4 very large pixels!!!

 

[mark056]

They weren't short because of the "don't ask don't tell" policy, it was the cuts Klinton made to specific areas of the defense budget that was a direct result of the understaffed and over worked linguists. I was amazed to hear the difference in staffing and workload at the NSA once the cuts were put in place. Not to mention it doesn't even quantify how many of the 36 were Arabic or Farsi linguists.

That snippet is like blaming gun owners for bank robberies.

+1...I'd like to tell you about an experience that I had with NSA in the late 90's, but unfortunately it is classified but strikes home the very point you make. Actually things started getting bad after the Gulf War under Bush I when the Army was halved and we were going to enjoy the benfits of the so-called "peace dividend."

Mark056

 

[mark056]

Ok, full disclosure- I realize not ALL guys would have this problem with gays in the shower, but I have a unique condition. How to put it? Well, let's just say that I'm genetically "blessed", if you know what I'm saying. I'm not just talking NBA or porn size, I'm talking BIG! I mean it's crazy! So, you see, I have problems that others wouldn't.

So are you bragging or complaining?

Mark056

 

[RI_John]

So are you bragging or complaining?

Mark056

Unfortunately I am of Irish lineage, so I'm neither bragging nor complaining, simply lying.

 

[cekim]

Unfortunately I am of Irish lineage, so I'm neither bragging nor complaining, simply lying.

I got out my 10' pole to get involved in this conversation but thought better of it...

 

[mark056]

Unfortunately I am of Irish lineage, so I'm neither bragging nor complaining, simply lying.

Mark056

 

[Admin]

Unfortunately I am of Irish lineage, so I'm neither bragging nor complaining, simply lying.

Just say it's cold out.

 

[Bob P]

Doesn't everyone know about shrinkage?

 

[MrsWildweasel]

You guys are too funny.

 

[esswun]

I'm prior service myself(Infantry) and if they wanna smoke a sausage, that's their business. I don't have to see it, nor do I need to know about it. All I can say is, if they ever jumped in my foxhole, they better fight and not sob like a little girl or I'd use them as cover. But this whole thing about being open with their fondness of twigs and berries really makes me fume. The last thing a grunt needs to see is a group of dudes prancing around sprinkling fairy dust. I'm lmao right now with the thought of it, but I like it better when men act like MEN, like $@&%* WARRIORS! I don't mean to offend anyone, but it's how I view the world, how I was raised, and how it always was when I served. That is all.

 

[Martlet]

You're confusing sexual orientation with mannerisms. There are far more bi/gay men that are extremely masculine than you realize.

No there aren't.

 

[mikem317]

Have you ever served in the military? If you're asking I am guessing not. No matter how we try to tell you for a civilian you wouldn't get it.

That's not really fair.

 

[Martlet]

That's not really fair.

Yeah it is. That's why this is posted in "Military Bubbas", not "Off Topic".

 

[RI_John]

No there aren't.

I have to agree. Even if gays are tough guy warriors like the example of Alexander the Great, it kind of takes away from their appearance of masculinity when they plow some dude up the a**!

 

[mikem317]

Yeah it is. That's why this is posted in "Military Bubbas", not "Off Topic".

So us lowly "civies" can't weigh in on this topic? Our opinions don't count? All hail the state?

 

[Martlet]

And you know this how?

I watch you post every day, for starters.

 

[Martlet]

So us lowly "civies" can't weigh in on this topic? Our opinions don't count? All hail the state?

You can do whatever you'd like. She didn't say you couldn't post. She just said you lack the experience to know what you're talking about.

 

[esswun]

Sort of like Alexander the Great?

No Jim, more like 2/27 INF. There's a difference, but I'll abstain from saying. I don't want you to get anymore irritated than you seem to be. Go in peace.

 

[8x57mm]

Forward battle units may have issues here, but only because radical fringe gays NOT EVEN IN THE MILITARY insist on making it an issue. And if this policy withdrawal goes badly, as it certainly could, a lot of very valuable personnel will be lost from some super-crucial areas where there often tends to be a greater percentage of gays; Linguists, cryptologists, cyber-warfare specialists, etc. Oh yeah, this would be a GREAT time to loose a lot of people fluent in Farsi, Arabic and Korean? I thought this guy was supposed to be intelligent? So far, I've seen NO evidence that this is even remotely true! JR

 

[MrsWildweasel]

That's not really fair.

Yes it is, all I am stating is if you have not served you would not understand. If you have then you know what we are talking about or should anyways.
Esswun said it well.
Now if you have sand in your mangina get over it. You can always raise your right hand and see what we are talking about. Martlets a recruiter.

 

[theGringo]

You can always raise your right hand and see what we are talking about. Martlets a recruiter.

Yes, Martlet's a recruiter. And as reliable a source of truth as you're likely to find. Give his words some heed.

 

[jcetto0351]

Sort of like Alexander the Great? That guy was a total pussy. And there were many more like him throughout history. You're confusing sexual orientation with mannerisms. There are far more bi/gay men that are extremely masculine than you realize.

Get the queenie type stereotypes out of your head as they are only one part of the bi/gay population the same way as effeminate straight guys are only one part of the straight male population.

Just my two cents, take it as you will or not at all.

I think we can state our opinions, for whatever they are worth. Over time this issue will be decided in favor of dropping the ban. On a personal level, I don't care as I will never serve in the military anyway. I don't really have a dog in this hunt but other countries have done it successfully and ours will too eventually. Then it will fade away and the younger people won't care about it any more than they do about other, past drama issues.

It's very much a generational issue.

Sorry Jim, but IMHO you seem like a "sensitive man". I'm not trying to be disrespectful but if you've never been then you don't know. I don't just direct this at you... non combat military jobs IMHO don't REALLY understand either... any MOS where you go to work wearing cologne with gel in your hair(while in a combat zone) doesn't know what kind of strain a fruit can put on a unit.
I say this from experience...the kind of experience that will be with me to the end of my days! We had a couple gay guys that were closeted but everybody knew anyways...from those manuerisms that you say are imaginary. We tried to break them and make them quit but we deployed before that happened and one of those "masculine queers" admitted to not firing his weapon......EVER! because he couldn't deal with killing another human being...we dealt with him... not at liberty to say how but I believe he later "fell out of his rack" and the other "masculine queer" was this D-Bag...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_WPHrTDFI

I know you'll enevitably say that it was an isolated example and that it could of been a straight guy but the truth is that you live in a much smaller world as a combat operator while in country and if it is perceived to be that the gays don't fight, then that's the reality of it. PERCEPTION IS REALITY!

And that's all I have to say about that

 

[mikem317]

I think we can state our opinions, for whatever they are worth. Over time this issue will be decided in favor of dropping the ban. On a personal level, I don't care as I will never serve in the military anyway. I don't really have a dog in this hunt but other countries have done it successfully and ours will too eventually. Then it will fade away and the younger people won't care about it any more than they do about other, past drama issues.

It's very much a generational issue.

I guess that's it. If we don't have a horse in this race, I guess we should just not comment.

You can do whatever you'd like. She didn't say you couldn't post. She just said you lack the experience to know what you're talking about.

It's just calling a spade a spade.

I'd gladly serve with a gay man or lesbian.

Yes it is, all I am stating is if you have not served you would not understand. If you have then you know what we are talking about or should anyways.
Esswun said it well.
Now if you have sand in your mangina get over it. You can always raise your right hand and see what we are talking about. Martlets a recruiter.

Of course. "Since you haven't served, you can't possibly understand." Right.

How about clearly articulating your reservations as opposed to posting up some cryptic, dismissive remarks?

I'd gladly considering serving in the military as soon as the government stops invading and occupying foreign countries. But I digress...

 

[cekim]

I'd gladly considering serving in the military as soon as the government stops invading and occupying foreign countries. But I digress...

Well, that would take all the fun right out of it...

 

[jcetto0351]

I'd gladly considering serving in the military as soon as the government stops invading and occupying foreign countries. But I digress...

As soon as you join then you'll be able to remove the tampon because it will occur to you why we say that YOU JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND

You can imagine all you want and be a baby about us not caring about your opinion but the fact is that YOU HAVE NEVER HAD TO DEPEND ON ANOTHER PERSON THAT YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW TO KEEP YOU ALIVE

That is the jist of it... and why should they change anything? to make you happy? Spill blood for your country and I'll let you shave Ru Paul's head and do fire team rushes all you want but I am sorry to say that people probably died because the gays I knew were well not manly enough for the military and sadly that costs lives

And as for your veiled anti- iraq comment.... GO SCREW PAL! People like you sit there and say, " I support the troops but not the war" and you don't realize that it demoralizes the troops! It's like saying I support you guys but I hope that the mission fails and all the fallen die for nothing... thats what I hear when idiots say stuff like what you said....

I have been disrespectful to you because you offended me with that cut and paste liberal bullshit about occupation versus liberation and I am sorry about that but stop being an AHOLE because nobody cares about your .02... I agree go talk to martlet and join... maybe it'll knock some sense into you...IMHO

 

[usmcs/s]

RIGHT ON BROTHER, i have other brothers in the sand box they went there with open heart hands to help.

 

[MrsWildweasel]

I guess that's it. If we don't have a horse in this race, I guess we should just not comment.



It's just calling a spade a spade.

I'd gladly serve with a gay man or lesbian.



Of course. "Since you haven't served, you can't possibly understand." Right.

How about clearly articulating your reservations as opposed to posting up some cryptic, dismissive remarks?

I'd gladly considering serving in the military as soon as the government stops invading and occupying foreign countries. But I digress...

Look, whether you like it or not YOU HAVE NO IDEA what the hell you are talking about. All I can say is probably the military wouldn't want the likes of you.
No you don't know what it is like. JCETTO said it best. Now if you don't like it it is called the military bubbas section for a reason. Don't like the answers leave.
We have more dogs in this fight than you do. You want to be an ass about things, I won't play nice.
Look plenty of us have served with someone that is gay or lesbian, now if you don' t like what has been said you can go pound sand.
As I have stated I served with an E-7 that was gay, did I care NO, what he did outside of work, the barracks is his business not mine. There are plenty of reasons why Don't ask Don't tell shouldn't be taken away. Someone else posted why, you obviously don't like what has been said or the reasons.
You still don't get it and you won't. SO at this point take your argument elsewhere.

 

[Martlet]

I'd gladly serve with a gay man or lesbian.

It's funny. The majority of people who say that are people who won't serve, period. Kinda makes it seem like a lot of bullshit.

Oh, the irony.

 

[cekim]

It's funny. The majority of people who say that are people who won't serve, period. Kinda makes it seem like a lot of bullshit.

Oh, the irony.

Might be some age demographics at work there... Just a thought...

But certainly, its easier to say someone else should be tolerant in a situation you have not chosen to enter...