Police want my Dad's gun

ProGun said:
My Dad has dementia, is doing poorly, thus completely unable to do a transfer himself. He is not a gun guy, but I removed his old revolver from the house a while back. Now the police want his firearm. It's a 45 year old j-frame that I want, as it was my dad's. They claim it won't go to a bonded warehouse and they know I'm licensed. They tell me I'll be able to get it back. Not sure I'm buying that. Advice? Can I show up with an FFL to transfer? I want avoid having to risk turning it in and never getting it back? I do not have power of attorney, if that matters.
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Who made that conclusion?? YOU? A DOCTOR?? THE COPS??

If your dad can still say the words YES and NO, he's capable of transferring the gun to you.


Tell the cops to GO f*** THEMSELVES!!! TWICE!!!!!
 
ProGun said:
Yes, they are aware of his diagnosis. Not going to get into details, but they have had interactions with him since the dementia.
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And rightly or wrongly, this is the triggering reason for the cop's interest. There is a lesson here for us all. Get the guns out of your elderly parent's name(s) before their advancing dementia starts causing even minor problems. :(
 
Not a lawyer but: if you are licensed, I fail to see how any of this is a problem.
When the eventuality happens, you will inherit the gun.
 
Does anyone else have power of attorney or similar control of his health care decisions and estate? Might want to nail that down with your attorney, too, before bigger issues show up. Having dealt with 90 YO parents' issues, you have my sympathy. Good luck.
 
Perhaps a dumb question and as much as I hate the system. Can you simply efa-10 the pistol to you or go to a FFL for an official transfer?
 
A lot depends on the town in a green town I have successful taken possession of a bunch of firearms for a unlicensed friend who's Uncle passed away and when cops showed up for unattended death the took all the guns that he had laying around.
 
GeorgeMason said:
Sounds like in a moment of clarity, your father created a new user login for the new mass portal. Thankfully he still had the wherewithal to go in and transfer it to you in said moment of clarity.
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None of that is going to work if his father's license has already been suspended or revoked and usually by the time something like this actually "becomes an issue" that's already happened.
 
This just reminds me I need to get all my dad's guns the fxck out of MA sooner than later. Dad's good for another year, but if there is bullshit with the renewal he might not be able to.

The plan was for my son to get his state's license and take them there.

I might not wait for that.
 
I was going to go all radical and brave the NES experts to tell you just that. I think once you have a lawyer involved the police will suddenly be more cooperative and understanding.

Good luck.

ProGun said:
Thanks for all the advice. Talking to a good lawyer, so think I'm good.
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When my friend's Dementia got to that point, his son in law moved them over to his side of the duplex and put it in his gun safe.

Mark from ? said:
This just reminds me I need to get all my dad's guns the fxck out of MA sooner than later. Dad's good for another year, but if there is bullshit with the renewal he might not be able to.

The plan was for my son to get his state's license and take them there.

I might not wait for that.
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Could this be a case of he sold it to you a while ago and never did the paperwork? Isn’t the transfer requirement on the seller?
 
Garys said:
I was going to go all radical and brave the NES experts to tell you just that. I think once you have a lawyer involved the police will suddenly be more cooperative and understanding.

Good luck.
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Not really.. there was another thread on this here maybe 2 months ago... Exact same thing. Pit Bull Lawyer involved... Ultimately cops got the guns...

Husband went down hill, cops revokes the LTC, Told the wife to turn them in, she tried to hold off, but ultimately had to give in. I tried to look for the thread...

ETA: Found it

 
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EJFudd said:
And rightly or wrongly, this is the triggering reason for the cop's interest. There is a lesson here for us all. Get the guns out of your elderly parent's name(s) before their advancing dementia starts causing even minor problems. :(
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This is easy for someone who's never dealt with dementia to say. It's not that easy. People with dementia rarely know they've got it, and mostly deny it if told. Not only that, it's not always obvious to those close to the person because it comes on gradually and at first the symptoms can be dismissed as "getting older"; not just for the observer, but for the person with dementia, too.

If you're going to go along this path, be very careful how you structure the discussion about transferring the guns, as it could backfire and lead to a strained relationship making everything harder.
 
milktree said:
This is easy for someone who's never dealt with dementia to say. It's not that easy. People with dementia rarely know they've got it, and mostly deny it if told. Not only that, it's not always obvious to those close to the person because it comes on gradually and at first the symptoms can be dismissed as "getting older"; not just for the observer, but for the person with dementia, too.

If you're going to go along this path, be very careful how you structure the discussion about transferring the guns, as it could backfire and lead to a strained relationship making everything harder.
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One should not assume that I am as naive and inexperienced in this area as you suggest. [dance]
 
All good. Transfer done, much easier than expected. Thank you @nstassel
Seriously, Neil is the guy to call!

And thanks to everyone for the input, much appreciated! Been a tough year, Alzheimer's is an absolutely brutal, heartbreaking disease. My Dad was a very successful, smart man...but did not prepare for the possibility of this disease which runs in the family. And it's been alot harder without propper planning on my mom & dad's part. I will not make the same mistake!
 
milktree said:
This is easy for someone who's never dealt with dementia to say. It's not that easy. People with dementia rarely know they've got it, and mostly deny it if told. Not only that, it's not always obvious to those close to the person because it comes on gradually and at first the symptoms can be dismissed as "getting older"; not just for the observer, but for the person with dementia, too.

If you're going to go along this path, be very careful how you structure the discussion about transferring the guns, as it could backfire and lead to a strained relationship making everything harder.
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This is pretty much spot on. My Dad showed signs...denied, said he was fine. My mom enabled this for a long time. Very difficult situation, made worse.
 
TBK said:
Not if you leave the commiewealth of assachusetts and move to a free state.... Just sayin'....
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So true. Here in NH, my Wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer, owned some guns, had a NH P/R License and our police chief knew about her condition. His only concern was asking me if I ever needed anything to give him a call (he gave me his personal cell #). When Deena passed, I called him and asked him to have a cruiser swing by the house a few times on the day of Deena's funeral (which was in MA). That's it. No concern about her guns, no hassles. I now own all of Deena's guns, no paperwork, no issues. Not sure it would have gone the same way if we were still in MA last year.
drgrant said:
None of that is going to work if his father's license has already been suspended or revoked and usually by the time something like this actually "becomes an issue" that's already happened.
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I didn't read all of this new unconstitutional law, but I believe that it specifically mandates that a PD confiscates everything upon suspension/revocation of a LTC. Thus, the attorney is the only way to ensure that the family stands a chance to recover his personal property.
Garys said:
When my friend's Dementia got to that point, his son in law moved them over to his side of the duplex and put it in his gun safe.
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That will work with some chiefs in MA, but certainly not all of them. It definitely works in non-communist states (Free America).
 
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