Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

His ass?



On a more serious note I think Ruger Chargers should be gtg after 10/23 now.
151 (b) a semiautomatic pistol with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features: (i) the capacity to accept a feeding device that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer; or (iv) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel

So while a rifle must be centerfire to be an ASW, a rimfire pistol is still subject to the features test.
 
Beginning to wonder if, financially, it made more sense to buy stuff or wait. Guess that's the $72 question.

I'm thinking that when (not “if”, trying to be optimistic) SCOTUS smacks down these tyrants, we’ll be able to get whatever we want for fair market pricing. Like you said though, time will tell……..
 
So while a rifle must be centerfire to be an ASW, a rimfire pistol is still subject to the features test.
Unfortunately you are correct and there is no carve out for .22 caliber rimfire in the new law.
Semi-joking, but strictly speaking would this be an ASW now: mag outside grip, internal action/barrel inside an outer frame+removable barrel weight/not a slide or exposed barrel.


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Semi-joking, but strictly speaking would this be an ASW now: mag outside grip, internal action/barrel inside an outer frame+removable barrel weight/not a slide or exposed barrel.


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I don't think so:

(b) a semiautomatic pistol with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features:
Check
(i) the capacity to accept a feeding device that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
Check (that's one)
(ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
Nope
(iii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer; or
Nope
(iv) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
I don't think this one counts. That's not a shroud, it's part of the frame, and it's function has nothing to do with heat. There's no way that gun would get hot, ever.
 
I don't think so:

(b) a semiautomatic pistol with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features:
Check
(i) the capacity to accept a feeding device that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
Check (that's one)
(ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
Nope
(iii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer; or
Nope
(iv) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
I don't think this one counts. That's not a shroud, it's part of the frame, and it's function has nothing to do with heat. There's no way that gun would get hot, ever.
Yeah, I think the heat shield function requirement would be a stretch. Getting close though.
 
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I don't think so:

(b) a semiautomatic pistol with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features:
Check
(i) the capacity to accept a feeding device that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
Check (that's one)
(ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
Nope
(iii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer; or
Nope
(iv) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
I don't think this one counts. That's not a shroud, it's part of the frame, and it's function has nothing to do with heat. There's no way that gun would get hot, ever.
I think a VZ61 would be a good choice after 10/23. Maybe @CrackPot can advise. 10rd mags are available and most don’t have threaded barrels. These are remanufactured from parts kits though.


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Not sure I would expect to see them in MGL in any case. There is no definition of pistol under existing or new MGL so I would expect federal definitions to apply. So a pistol brace on a pistol is a pistol. As long as it is exempt from ASW (possessed lawfully on 8/1) or otherwise compliant and not a ASW, it would seem ok. No more 50oz feature so some things are possible...
So, you are saying someone can build an AK pistol?
 
So, you are saying someone can build an AK pistol?
Only if the receiver was in MA on 8/1. If the receiver before 8/2 is not in Ma it cannot be imported into Ma if sharing the features, compatibility, or is enumerated with an ASF according to the ASF definition in 121. Think any ar, ak, or any other centerfire semiauto rifle no matter the caliber.

(Now, a reciever indicates a long gun or rifle while a frame indicates a pistol or revolver. This is key.) False.

(Since an AK receiver is not a pistol frame but it is a rifle receiver) Also false- you will not see it imported into Ma now after 8/1. Compliance work would look like this : out of state FFL does the work, then ships it to Ma FFL, then its transferred to the LTC holder as a single feature firearm with detachable mag.

Again, if an LTC holder or FFL (Licensee) has it in state before 8/2 it is grandfathered as an ASF. Build as you wish and fulfill the registration and serialization (if needed) according to 121B and 121C.


Eta corrections.
 
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Only if the receiver was in MA on 8/1. If the receiver before 8/2 is not in Ma it cannot be imported into Ma if sharing the features, compatibility, or is enumerated with an ASF according to the ASF definition in 121. Think any ar, ak, or any other centerfire semiauto rifle no matter the caliber.

Now, a reciever indicates a long gun or rifle while a frame indicates a pistol or revolver. This is key.

Since an AK receiver is not a pistol frame but it is a rifle receiver you will not see (almost 99% sure) it imported into Ma now after 8/1. Compliance work would look like this : out of state FFL does the work, then ships it to Ma FFL, then its transferred to the LTC holder as a single feature firearm with detachable mag.

Again, if an LTC holder or FFL (Licensee) has it in state before 8/2 it is grandfathered as an ASF. Build as you wish and fulfill the registration and serialization (if needed) according to 121B and 121C.
Dont confuse MA law and federal law. A virgin AK receiver is just that, a virgin and can lawfully be built into a rifle or pistol. This is federal law. In MA, its a NOTHING on 8/1 so the "frame" or "receiver" discussion is not interesting.
 
Only if the receiver was in MA on 8/1. If the receiver before 8/2 is not in Ma it cannot be imported into Ma if sharing the features, compatibility, or is enumerated with an ASF according to the ASF definition in 121. Think any ar, ak, or any other centerfire semiauto rifle no matter the caliber.

Now, a reciever indicates a long gun or rifle while a frame indicates a pistol or revolver. This is key.

Since an AK receiver is not a pistol frame but it is a rifle receiver you will not see (almost 99% sure) it imported into Ma now after 8/1. Compliance work would look like this : out of state FFL does the work, then ships it to Ma FFL, then its transferred to the LTC holder as a single feature firearm with detachable mag.

Again, if an LTC holder or FFL (Licensee) has it in state before 8/2 it is grandfathered as an ASF. Build as you wish and fulfill the registration and serialization (if needed) according to 121B and 121C.
Yes. I am talking about someone owning 80% AK receivers that were never finished.

Owned pre-8/1

So, in that case, looks like adding a SN, finishing it and eventually registering when the website is up is all that is needed.

Is that right?

I am wondering why @drgrant Laughed at my prior post. That laugh hurt a little. 😢
 
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Beginning to wonder if, financially, it made more sense to buy stuff or wait. Guess that's the $72 question.
If you believe that SCOTUS will take up Bianchi or Bevis (7th) then waiting makes sense
If you believe they won't, it's time to have them in hand now.
 
I don't think so:

(b) a semiautomatic pistol with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features:
Check
(i) the capacity to accept a feeding device that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
Check (that's one)
(ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
Nope
(iii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer; or
Nope
(iv) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
I don't think this one counts. That's not a shroud, it's part of the frame, and it's function has nothing to do with heat. There's no way that gun would get hot, ever.
Ask yourself if the person's assigned to create the Assault-Style Firearms list have the intelligence, knowledge and experience to understand that the barrel is enclosed in the frame not a shroud
 
Adding to my stuff above ... so, all those people that rushed to LIE about their unfinished lowers so they could do an eFA10 before 8/1 f*cked themselves because they could have registered them as pistols but didn't.

Am I right?
 
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It pains me the number of customers who ask about registration on a lower receiver or frame. The state has succeeded in brainwashing everyone into thinking you have to register anything and everything you own (under the old/current law, anyway).

Common phrases I hear:

"So these lowers are all registered?"
"I just want to play it safe."
"I'll probably just register it anyway" (after I tell them there is no registration for a lower and that they are technically lying on a gov form by registering something that doesn't have a caliber or barrel length)
 
Ask yourself if the person's assigned to create the Assault-Style Firearms list have the intelligence, knowledge and experience to understand that the barrel is enclosed in the frame not a shroud

You're right, of course. But given that it's not a separate piece, it's literally the frame, I'd think that would count for something. (assuming words have meanings)
 
Adding to my stuff above ... so, all those people that rushed to LIE about their unfinished lowers so they could do an eFA10 before 8/1 f*cked themselves because they could have registered them as pistols but didn't.

Am I right?
Sooo…I kinda f’d myself. I did a quick PCC 16” build with a spare lower and efa-10’d it back when the law was first signed.

I now wish I waited…..because a I’d prefer a PCC pistol. 🤷
 
Sooo…I kinda f’d myself. I did a quick PCC 16” build with a spare lower and efa-10’d it back when the law was first signed.

I now wish I waited…..because a I’d prefer a PCC pistol. 🤷

What happens when you listen to the cheese bags on this site telling you make sh*t up to comply with something that doesn't exist.

Sorry dude.
 
What happens when you listen to the cheese bags on this site telling you make sh*t up to comply with something that doesn't exist.

Sorry dude.
No worries.

I didn’t make anything up though. It’s a built gun…not just a lower. Ultimately it’s the same outcome. It’s just a rifle lower rather than a pistol lower I could have had. It’s still a pew….just not the ideal pew.
 
Pretending that EFA10s matter at all in the face of whatever the new thing is going to be is funny. That database has so many lies and trash in it based on lack of knowledge or misappropriation of its "purpose" that I think legally its contents matter very little WRT "what thing X actually was on Y date". There are thousands of things in there that aren't guns under current law and because the definitions shift on 10/23 it creates confusion. You could easily correct an error on a submission but it's not worth the effort. For the pant shitters club I would be more concerned about whatever the new system is when it exists assuming a court doesn't outlaw it before the drop dead date. (This is for another thread).

Im going to stop here because I don't think this thread should be used to discuss long term hypotheticals- i am going to do some cleaning later when i am at a real computer.

As a smoke test though we should stick with "what's real life on the ground now and likely on 10/23" etc. Court cases etc belong in other threads. I may create an additional thread in GD outside of the existing trash one for this purpose.
 
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