Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

An AR upper confiscated.


"Following the arrests, detectives executed a search warrant on the Winter Street apartment. Officers detained Taveon Awosika on the second-floor porch, Gregory Daviau on the third floor, and Rivera on the fourth-floor porch. The apartment search yielded significant contraband, including a 5.56 AR upper receiver, over 240 bags of heroin, approximately 15.3 grams of crack cocaine, 25 rounds of ammunition, and more than $600 in cash."

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C’mon guys you don’t see the ghost lower?
 
Sounds like you are saying I can’t purchase a new Bolt or upper for a pre-existing fully FA-10ed rifle??

He's f***ing with you. Bolts and uppers are completely unregulated.

The only part that's regulated is the lower receiver. Not the stock, or fire control group, barrel, sights, grip, any of that crap.
 
He's f***ing with you. Bolts and uppers are completely unregulated.

The only part that's regulated is the lower receiver. Not the stock, or fire control group, barrel, sights, grip, any of that crap.

But the rifle is both pre-existing and fully FA-10ed thats already 2 features.
 
Question about handgun acquisition. I keep sifting the forms but I'm having difficulty finding an explicit answer.

For handguns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster," are these still legal to purchase from a MA FFL?
Is ownership before 10/23/24 required in MA, or is the handgun required to to have been owned in MA prior to 10/23/24 so that future FFL transfers there after are legal for that firearm)?

The emergency preamble and CMRs are a bit dense. I'd have to really sit down for a read at some point... I just got my LTC last month, and had I been more aware - I would have purchased specific ones last month instead of just window shopping the internet.
 
Question about handgun acquisition. I keep sifting the forms but I'm having difficulty finding an explicit answer.

For handguns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster," are these still legal to purchase from a MA FFL?
Is ownership before 10/23/24 required in MA, or is the handgun required to to have been owned in MA prior to 10/23/24 so that future FFL transfers there after are legal for that firearm)?

The emergency preamble and CMRs are a bit dense. I'd have to really sit down for a read at some point... I just got my LTC last month, and had I been more aware - I would have purchased specific ones last month instead of just window shopping the internet.

To be on the safe side I do not recommend you have any guns in MA. Don't give them a reason to come after you. Better safe than sorry.
 
For handguns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster," are these still legal to purchase from a MA FFL?

Yes, but it's not legal for the FFL to transfer (sell) it to a non-dealer.

The laws apply to dealers only, not to you.
It's illegal for a dealer to transfer it to a non-dealer. If they do it anyway, the buyer has not broken any laws and can keep the gun if the dealer gets caught.


Is ownership before 10/23/24 required in MA, or is the handgun required to to have been owned in MA prior to 10/23/24 so that future FFL transfers there after are legal for that firearm)?

10/23 is irrelevant. Dealers can't transfer off-roster guns to non-dealers.

However, non-dealers can buy and sell to non-dealers 100% legally. i.e.: you need to find a private seller for your preferred gun.

The emergency preamble and CMRs are a bit dense. I'd have to really sit down for a read at some point... I just got my LTC last month, and had I been more aware - I would have purchased specific ones last month instead of just window shopping the internet.

The preamble's *ONLY FUNCTION* was to change the effective date of H.4885 from 10/23 to 10/2 That's it.

The CMRs and MGL are in fact dense.
 
Sounds like you are saying I can’t purchase a new Bolt or upper for a pre-existing fully FA-10ed rifle??

That aside, I'm guessing they are now tracking all online sales of anything gun related, either by vendor cooperation, or credit card company cooperation. For whatever that means to you.
 
That aside, I'm guessing they are now tracking all online sales of anything gun related, either by vendor cooperation, or credit card company cooperation. For whatever that means to you.

Please support this statement. It sounds like "OMG!!!11!ELEVEN! SKY IS FALLING!!!"

Please don't reference the "dealer code for credit cards" nonsense. That's not even remotely new.
 
Yes, but it's not legal for the FFL to transfer (sell) it to a non-dealer.

The laws apply to dealers only, not to you.
It's illegal for a dealer to transfer it to a non-dealer. If they do it anyway, the buyer has not broken any laws and can keep the gun if the dealer gets caught.




10/23 is irrelevant. Dealers can't transfer off-roster guns to non-dealers.

However, non-dealers can buy and sell to non-dealers 100% legally. i.e.: you need to find a private seller for your preferred gun.



The preamble's *ONLY FUNCTION* was to change the effective date of H.4885 from 10/23 to 10/2 That's it.

The CMRs and MGL are in fact dense.
Thank you for the clarification. Mass is sometimes a mystery to me despite living here my whole life.
 
I used to know the citations for MA gun laws by heart, but a couple of years shift in hobby time, and a massive bill nobody has read, and suddenly I’m asking fairly basic questions, too (and probably have more to ask…). Don’t sweat it.

Like: a previous version of this bill included bolt guns in the AWB. That stuff is all gone, right? Except for “the list” that they’re already not enforcing against rifles.
 
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I used to know the citations for MA gun laws by heart, but a couple of years shift in hobby time, and a massive bill nobody has read, and suddenly I’m asking fairly basic questions, too (and probably have more to ask…). Don’t sweat it.

Like: a previous version of this bill included bolt guns in the AWB. That stuff is all gone, right? Except for “the list” that they’re already not enforcing against rifles.

“Anything that happens, happens.

Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.

Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.

It doesn’t necessarily do it in chronological order, though.”
 
“Anything that happens, happens.

Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.

Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.

It doesn’t necessarily do it in chronological order, though.”


Wellness check to mill!
Bring the good booze!
Big guy is stroking out!
 
Like: a previous version of this bill included bolt guns in the AWB.

No. But all semi-autos are possibly (probably?) “assault-style firearms”

That stuff is all gone, right? Except for “the list” that they’re already not enforcing against rifles.

Right. “Firearms” that are not handguns have been declared exempt from the approved firearms roster.

But the semiautomatic ones might still be ASFs.
 
An AR upper confiscated.


"Following the arrests, detectives executed a search warrant on the Winter Street apartment. Officers detained Taveon Awosika on the second-floor porch, Gregory Daviau on the third floor, and Rivera on the fourth-floor porch. The apartment search yielded significant contraband, including a 5.56 AR upper receiver, over 240 bags of heroin, approximately 15.3 grams of crack cocaine, 25 rounds of ammunition, and more than $600 in cash."

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Were they using it as a bat?
 
I used to know the citations for MA gun laws by heart, but a couple of years shift in hobby time, and a massive bill nobody has read, and suddenly I’m asking fairly basic questions, too (and probably have more to ask…). Don’t sweat it.

Like: a previous version of this bill included bolt guns in the AWB. That stuff is all gone, right? Except for “the list” that they’re already not enforcing against rifles.
I think if you knew the laws, at one time, by heart you might be able to read the bill to figure out the answers to some of these questions. That is a very simple question. They are not being regulated as they are not killy-assault weapons. Please try the search function in the forums to read what others have already posted and that should be able to answer any of your questions.
 
An AR upper confiscated.


"Following the arrests, detectives executed a search warrant on the Winter Street apartment. Officers detained Taveon Awosika on the second-floor porch, Gregory Daviau on the third floor, and Rivera on the fourth-floor porch. The apartment search yielded significant contraband, including a 5.56 AR upper receiver, over 240 bags of heroin, approximately 15.3 grams of crack cocaine, 25 rounds of ammunition, and more than $600 in cash."

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Here is the list of the charges:

Each of the five suspects faces multiple charges:

  • Timothy Ortiz, 29, of Springfield:
    • Carrying a Firearm without a License
    • Carrying a Loaded Firearm without a License (2nd Offense)
    • Possession of a Firearm during the Commission of a Felony
    • Convicted Felon in Possession of a Firearm
    • Firearm Violation with Three Prior Violent/Drug Crimes
    • Conspiracy to Violate Drug Law
    • Possession with Intent to Distribute a Class A Drug (Subsequent Offense)
    • Possession with Intent to Distribute a Class B Drug (Subsequent Offense)
  • Alexander Rivera, 53, of Springfield:
    • Conspiracy to Violate Drug Law
    • Possession with Intent to Distribute a Class A Drug
    • Possession with Intent to Distribute a Class B Drug
    • Possession of Ammunition without an FID Card
  • Xiomara Vazquez-Alicea, 28, of Springfield:
    • Conspiracy to Violate Drug Law
    • Possession with Intent to Distribute a Class A Drug
    • Possession with Intent to Distribute a Class B Drug
    • Possession of a Firearm during the Commission of a Felony
  • Taveon Awosika, 18, of Springfield:
    • Conspiracy to Violate Drug Law
    • Possession with Intent to Distribute a Class A Drug
    • Possession with Intent to Distribute a Class B Drug
  • Gregory Daviau, 32, of South Hadley:
    • Possession of a Class A Drug
    • Possession of a Class B Drug
Which charge is for the upper? How does that get confiscated, meaning under what law?
 
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