Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

EOPS FAQ3 just posted and says - no need to register anything until 10/3/26, BUT you can still use the portal and if it’s already in MIRCS/eFA10 then no need to register in ‘26 in the new system.

So it (predictably) looks like the new registration database will be populated with the FA10 database as the starting point of registration (and include everything people traded at Kittery as still being owned in MA)
 
nm1 said:
EOPS FAQ3 just posted and says - no need to register anything until 10/3/26, BUT you can still use the portal and if it’s already in MIRCS/eFA10 then no need to register in ‘26 in the new system.

So it (predictably) looks like the new registration database will be populated with the FA10 database as the starting point of registration (and include everything people traded at Kittery as still being owned in MA)
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I wonder if there will be a procedure for correcting MIRCS database errors and registrations of guns no longer owned.
 
Len-2A Training said:
Why bother? Their wrong info isn't likely to cause any harm to any of us.
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If someone is served with a surrender order, the failure to cough up guns listed but not in possession could be used as the basis for a search warrant.

Glidden's current teaching is that a seizure order does not double as a search warrant, and police to not have a right to enter the home of a seizee without consent.
 
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Rob Boudrie said:
If someone is served with a currender order, the failure to cough up gins listed but not in possession could be used as the basis for a search warrant.

Glidden's current teaching is that a seizure order does not double as a search warrant, and police to not have a right to enter the home of a seizee without consent.
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Michaela once told me that the state wanted to keep the info on what you no longer owned. No idea if that will change with their new system.
 
Len-2A Training said:
Michaela once told me that the state wanted to keep the info on what you no longer owned. No idea if that will change with their new system.
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The proper way to maintain such data is to keep it bug flag it as no longer owned, not just leave it there.

I can see the logic for keeping the data - if a gun is removed from a user but no record kept, it can result in less information when a gun is being traced.
 
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Rob Boudrie said:
The proper way to maintain such data is to keep it bug flag it as no longer owned, not just leave it there.

I can see the logic for keeping the data - if a gun is removed from a user but no record kept, it can result in less information when a gun is being traced.
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Except that nobody in their right mind uses the eFA-10 database to trace guns. They rely on the Feds to do it and hand-feed them the info.
 
Len-2A Training said:
Except that nobody in their right mind uses the eFA-10 database to trace guns. They rely on the Feds to do it and hand-feed them the info.
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I would expect both, as the feds do not have any record of private transfers but MIRCS has a partial record. Sort of like checking bot the BOP and III.

I know of a case where a gun was recovered in an arrest and the rightful owner was contacted almost immediately - doubtful enough time for a fed trace to come back.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
I would expect both, as the feds do not have any record of private transfers but MIRCS has a partial record. Sort of like checking bot the BOP and III.

I know of a case where a gun was recovered in an arrest and the rightful owner was contacted almost immediately - doubtful enough time for a fed trace to come back.
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The FBI and ATF both have access to MIRCS.
 
Under the previous law….i had a fixed mag ar pistol. I was informed due to the fixed mag that the oal was nothing I needed to worry about.

The 12.5” barrel puts me at 26.5 oal. If I unfix the mag…do I now need to consider oal and get a shorter barrel?
 
Jeffaah said:
Under the previous law….i had a fixed mag ar pistol. I was informed due to the fixed mag that the oal was nothing I needed to worry about.

The 12.5” barrel puts me at 26.5 oal. If I unfix the mag…do I now need to consider oal and get a shorter barrel?
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Depends on how are you are measuring OAL? Most people get it wrong.

The correct way is length times diameter plus weight over girth divided by angle of the tip squared. If that is at 26.5 OAL and your Length Of Arc (LOA) is still within 5 minutes you should be good to go.
 
KAG Arms said:
Depends on how are you are measuring OAL? Most people get it wrong.

The correct way is length times diameter plus weight over girth divided by angle of the tip squared. If that is at 26.5 OAL and your Length Of Arc (LOA) is still within 5 minutes you should be good to go.
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What about gravity multiplier and moment of inertia?

Seriously…just looking for a legit answer to my original question. And my understanding of oal measurement is back of buffer tube to front of barrel threads
 
Jeffaah said:
What about gravity multiplier and moment of inertia?

Seriously…just looking for a legit answer to my original question. And my understanding of oal measurement is back of buffer tube to front of barrel threads
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You need to worry about LOP. Whether you use a blade type brace or an SB tactical your length of pull must be no greater than 13.5”.

If that doesn’t answer your question, you’re gonna have to conjure up Stephen Hawking by going to Epstein’s island, forming a glitter pentagram on a used wheelchair, and dancing in a female goat costume.
 
Jeffaah said:
What about gravity multiplier and moment of inertia?

Seriously…just looking for a legit answer to my original question. And my understanding of oal measurement is back of buffer tube to front of barrel threads
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I stay away from inertia jokes. They fail to gain momentum. Inertia is a bad thing, don't let it slow you down. Move on.
 
DJBrad said:
You need to worry about LOP. Whether you use a blade type brace or an SB tactical your length of pull must be no greater than 13.5”.

If that doesn’t answer your question, you’re gonna have to conjure up Stephen Hawking by going to Epstein’s island, forming a glitter pentagram on a used wheelchair, and dancing in a female goat costume.
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LOP is good at 12.25. Brace fully extended to face of trigger.

More concerned about the oal
 
KAG Arms said:
Depends on how are you are measuring OAL? Most people get it wrong.

The correct way is length times diameter plus weight over girth divided by angle of the tip squared. If that is at 26.5 OAL and your Length Of Arc (LOA) is still within 5 minutes you should be good to go.
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Are we doing that math in radians or degrees?
 
Jeffaah said:
Under the previous law….i had a fixed mag ar pistol. I was informed due to the fixed mag that the oal was nothing I needed to worry about.

The 12.5” barrel puts me at 26.5 oal. If I unfix the mag…do I now need to consider oal and get a shorter barrel?
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You were not well informed previously. OAL and fixed mag are not topics that interact with one another. Fixed mag was about compliance with MA law. OAL is almost always about compliance with federal law.

Fixed mag AR pistol up until 10/2/24 was how you were in compliance with the MA AWB. Without the fixed mag, it would have been an illegal assault weapon. Under the new law, as long as the lower was possessed ON 8/1/24, you can have an AR pistol in any config legally under MA law.

Federally OAL does not come into play here in any way. 12.5" barrel, OAL who cares, pistol brace and its a pistol federally. Put a vertical grip on it with a OAL over 26" and its an "other firearm". Vertical grip and OAL is under 26" and its an AOW (and requires a tax stamp). Change the brace to a stock and its a SBR (and requires a tax stamp)
 
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CrackPot said:
You were not well informed previously. OAL and fixed mag are not topics that interact with one another. Fixed mag was about compliance with MA law. OAL is almost always about compliance with federal law.

Fixed mag AR pistol up until 10/2/24 was how you were in compliance with the MA AWB. Without the fixed mag, it would have been an illegal assault weapon. Under the new law, as long as the lower was possessed ON 8/1/24, you can have an AR pistol in any config legally under MA law.

Federally OAL does not come into play here in any way. 12.5" barrel, OAL who cares, pistol brace and its a pistol federally. Put a vertical grip on it with a OAL over 26" and its an "other firearm". Pistol grip and OAL is under 26" and its an AOW (and requires a tax stamp). Change the brace to a stock and its a SBR (and requires a tax stamp)
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Ok so

From what I read, an ar pistol
Oal at 26.5
Detachable mag
Pistol grip
Brace
No vert grip
In ma on 8/1

Is good to go in MA and federally? No tax AOW stamp needed?
 
CrackPot said:
Federally OAL does not come into play here in any way. 12.5" barrel, OAL who cares, pistol brace and its a pistol federally. Put a vertical grip on it with a OAL over 26" and its an "other firearm". Pistol grip and OAL is under 26" and its an AOW (and requires a tax stamp). Change the brace to a stock and its a SBR (and requires a tax stamp)
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You mean “Vertical grip and OAL is under 26” and it’s an AOW (and requires a tax stamp).”

Why does Federal law not care? Basically, because a brace or pistol tube can have any length barrel if the lower was born into a pistol, right? Can’t go to a pistol if the lower was previously a rifle is what I remember.
 

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