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ok. you be you.I have two dozen RMR's
Dude, just stop.OMG. are you trying to prove my point of what is not supposed to be on a carry gun?
just kidding.
Yeah, but reading the manual is too hard for him.The motion sensor will NOT reactivate the DeltaPoint Pro if it has been turned off manually.
Yeah, but reading the manual is too hard for him.
Just making sure you were aware, the accelerometer could have failed in which case Leupold may fix it, not sure what the warranty is on them
"if it goes to sleep mode i need to turn it off and turn it on.". reading difficult much?
but, but - if THE POLICE is using them they must be good then? ain`t was that one of your arguments?I haven’t seen a single post in this thread that recommends the DPP for concealed carry.
No worries, I can and this has been my experience.ok. you be you.
i cannot have two dozens of this shit and spend $12K on it, to be able to rotate it around.
i`m still worried, as it is sad to be poor. keeps you in a worried state.No worries, I can and this has been my experience.
I said some police use red dots. I didn't say all police departments that use red dots picked a good one. Read Aaron Cowan's report.but, but - if THE POLICE is using them they must be good then? ain`t was that one of your arguments?
Police Gun Sight?
screen grab from a police body camera. Anyone know about this type of sight? It has some sort of lens/viewer? Never seen this before.www.northeastshooters.com
ok, i will stop. none of you seem to have enough of sense of humor anyway.
Thanks, very cool.i`m still worried, as it is sad to be poor. keeps you in a worried state.
so, the RMR has a 4% failure rate. need to make a note somewhere for that.
i`m trying, thank you.Thanks, very cool.
For those who talk about being fast, accurate, etc with a dot, that's cool. I agree with the folks here that if you aren't shooting all the time, you're likely just an average shooter. I don't have the time to shoot as much as I would like. That may change next year or once we move from MA, but for now that is reality. I also don't particularly like handguns as weapons. They are secondary... a means of fighting your way to your rifle. I spent very little time in the service with a handgun and the reality is they are ineffective in modern combat as anything other than a backup or for doing the silent nasty when suppressed, given the common usage of soft body armor and helmets defeating pistol rounds.
Yeah, yeah, we CCW with pistols. Sure, and that's why we should practice with them. I just don't forget that my handgun is secondary to my rifle when it comes to home defense. The reality is anyone could own soft armor today. Hell, I was looking at armor inserts for backpacks for my kids. That mall shooter is lucky the dude he shot wasn't wearing body armor else he would have been lit up by that dude's rifle.
Anyway, this thread was all over the place. To those posting against dots on handguns, I recommend you set one handgun up with it. Doesn't have to be your EDC. For those who say dots are the only way to go, I'd agree to a point. If you have an unlimited budget for this particular hobby or absolutely love pistol shooting or have eyes so bad you just can't see the damn front post anymore. For the rest of us with competing interests for our fun budget or aren't a boomer with bad eyes, I'd say nope.
Now for some gun porn:
That mall shooter is lucky the dude he shot wasn't wearing body armor else he would have been lit up by that dude's rifle.
There is only one way to settle this argument. IDPA competition with Team RDS vs Team Iron. The losers shall be converted.
Having taken 3 different PMO instructor classes and trained a couple of hundred people to use a pistol mounted optic, I would recommend the suppressor height sights. and having the slide milled for the optic you have chosen.Considering adding a holo sight on my carry pistols and wonder if it's worth the trouble and cost to get the slide milled or to just go the cheaper route and get the rear sight adapter. How many of you find yourselves using the backup tall irons anyway? Figured at self defense distances, even with an electronic dot fail, you could eyeball the middle of the reticle and guesstimate your shots.
I would recommend a 15 yard zero.to keep thread to be at least partially useful - what is a consensus recommendation for a zeroing distance on carry PMOs?
25yds or 15? or 10? or 7?
i had mine done at 10 initially, with an anticipation to have long zero close to a 50, but it gets it more off at 25. not a whole ton off, but, still.I would recommend a 15 yard zero.
I do something similar tooI zero mine while standing, unsupported. I put a few black pasters on a USPSA target. I start at 5 yards. Once on at that distance, I move back to around 10. Then I will move back to 25 yards and adjust as necessary. I need to check it at 50 - that I will do prone.
I won’t argue that my way is in any way “best”.
Another factor was the guy whos gun it was was watching us zero over our shoulders, so being able to shoot a tight group at 15 yards went a long way in showing the guy how accurate his gun could be if he did his part and it also cut down on guys wanting to adjust their zero because of bad mechanics and bad fundamentals. We had almost none of those kind of requests.i had mine done at 10 initially, with an anticipation to have long zero close to a 50, but it gets it more off at 25. not a whole ton off, but, still.
thx for the response, it is what i wanted to know, what the actual consideration there is/was.
and, hmm, looks like 15 is actually very close to a long zero at 50, 10yds gives more like a 60. makes sense.
We're on the same page, sort of. I recommend having at least one handgun set up with a dot for practice purposes. Then if and when circumstances require or just because, you can go that route with your EDC. What I'm not recommending is wholesale changing to run dots on every hand gun you own unless that's your thing.If you are an average shooter and dont have time to practice, why wouldnt you practice with something that is easier to learn and more effective?
yes handguns are not the best tool for killing people, but for a ccw'er they are generally the best tool for killing people on hand.
More likely the active shooter would have laid down and emotionally died when he took rounds to his soft armor, but even if he hadnt, again, this is an argument FOR the dot, because it would be easier to make headshots.
As for price, yeah, sure, RDS arent cheap, but how many dudes in here bitching about price own 5 or more handguns they dont carry, but are complaining that they dont have money to outfit the gun they carry every day? Prioritize this shit however you guys like, but dont bullshit yourselves.
For my own PMO guns, I have found I can pretty much put 10 rounds in the same hole at 7 yards standing unsupported, taking my time.I zero mine while standing, unsupported. I put a few black pasters on a USPSA target. I start at 5 yards. Once on at that distance, I move back to around 10. Then I will move back to 25 yards and adjust as necessary. I need to check it at 50 - that I will do prone.
I won’t argue that my way is in any way “best”.
My argument in the case of the mall shooter was more to do with the fact that it was pistol vs. rifle and my view on pistols in general. Yes, only weapon the good guy had, but he got lucky no armor was involved. I agree a competent shooter trained with a dot should be more accurate, especially at distance, but lets not kid: anything a pistol can do at 50 yards a rifle or better yet an SBR can do better. Literally the only advantage a pistol holds is the ability to conceal before drawing and firing. Shorter sight radius, less muzzle velocity, smaller magazines, less stable shooting stance, etc. I guess what I'm saying is red dots don't overcome the limitations of handguns and like another poster said, they don't magically spread gun jiz over a shooter and make them better without a ton of practice. Use a CCW for what it is and be smart about when and how it's used.
Not if Dench wants his way with you.im not worried about getting robbed at the gas station or whatever, i can probably handle that without a gun
Not if Dench wants his way with you.
Crossfit is gay though.Bro idk if ive told you but i do ju jitsu and crossfit, and i listen to jocko bro im hard