Ruger MKIII or ISSC-M22

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So I am wanting to pick up a .22LR pistol and was leanng towards a Ruger simply it has been in production so long and seems pretty solid. But I saw an interesting model from Austria it is the ISSC-M22 and it is basically a clone of a Glock but in .22LR and I though since I shoot a Glock I though this might me a good choice. I did some research on the ISSC and it seems to work pretty well the main problem with it seem to be casued by low velocity ammo. So I was just wondering if anyone here had any experience with the ISSC-M22?

I am not looking for anything for hardcore competition just plinking and cheaper ammo.

I can get the ISSC for 235.00
the Ruger MKIII for 299.00

Money is not the issue for this purchase just wondering if anyone had any experience with that ISSC-M22?
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No personal experience with the ISSC, but I've read some reviews of it and they seem mixed at best. This particular review is from last year, so maybe they've improved, but the poster had quite a few issues right out of the box.

From Glocktalk.

I've had no issues with my MKIII 22/45 so far. I'm no Glock expert, but aren't there some pretty decent 22 conversion kits out there? It's not perfect, but as quickly as a Glock field strips it seems like a reasonable option.
 
Enjoy it! I bought my MKIII stainless 6" bull barrel brand new. It needed about 600-700 rounds before it broke in and since then it runs perfect with any ammo I've fed it. The problems during break in were failure to eject about 5% of the time. I put a Volquartsen sear in it and it has a much better trigger now. Don't attempt something like that yourself until you're familiar with the gun's guts though. That thing is a bitch to work on for first-timers.

Do a quick search, or post back on this thread [STRIKE]if[/STRIKE] when you run into trouble dis- and re-assembling the gun for cleaning. [grin]
 
45collector said:
Enjoy it! I bought my MKIII stainless 6" bull barrel brand new. It needed about 600-700 rounds before it broke in and since then it runs perfect with any ammo I've fed it. The problems during break in were failure to eject about 5% of the time. I put a Volquartsen sear in it and it has a much better trigger now. Don't attempt something like that yourself until you're familiar with the gun's guts though. That thing is a bitch to work on for first-timers.

Do a quick search, or post back on this thread [STRIKE]if[/STRIKE] when you run into trouble dis- and re-assembling the gun for cleaning. [grin]
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+1 on the VQ sear. It made a world of difference. I also installed a MKII hammer bushing and eliminated the mag disconnect safety on my MKIII 22/45. As for not attempting the procedure, I'd suggest the following site: http://www.guntalk-online.com/. There are some great tutorials with detailed pics that explain how to do a field strip as well as a detailed strip. Made installing the sear & hammer bushing, as well as doing a "slingshot" mod really easy.
 
Thanks guys, I have to say I have read a lot on how difficult this pistol is to break down and reassemble just for cleaning which I plan on attempting one night this week before heading to the range. How difficult are these upgrades that you guys are suggesting? Are they all equally as difficult
 
DaveyG said:
Thanks guys, I have to say I have read a lot on how difficult this pistol is to break down and reassemble just for cleaning which I plan on attempting one night this week before heading to the range. How difficult are these upgrades that you guys are suggesting? Are they all equally as difficult
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Honestly, I'd say the procedure is very simple, but not necessarily easy. The only real issue I've ever had is with the uber-tight receiver/frame fit. Get a good hard nylon hammer and don't be afraid to give it a good whack . As for the mods, I've actually found them to be quite easy -- all you'll really need is a couple of punches. Again, the inner workings are not terribly complicated, it's just that removing and reattaching the receiver can be a bitch. It seems to be getting a bit easier each time, and quite frankly there may be more variance in the 22/45s polymer frame than a standard MKIII would have. I've heard from several people who never really had any issues.

Don't be afraid to tackle the upgrades yourself. You'd be hard-pressed to break anything, and there are plenty of knowledgeable people ready, willing & able to help out if things go south.
 
Okay so I already am having an isue with disasswmbly, was able to get the bolt stop pin out but the bolt will not come out at all I have put the magazine in tipped it up pulled trigger and it starts to come out and then stops???
 
Sounds like the hammer may be blocking the bolt. Try holding it pointing upwards, hold the trigger and pull the bolt. I've had it catch occasionally, but with some jiggling it'll usually come out. Oh, and I'm assuming you removed the mag after pulling the trigger...
 
By the way, I wasn't intending to discourage you from doing your own mods, DaveyG. Was just trying to give you an idea of what to expect if you'll be working on it yourself. As others stated, its really not that hard to take this gun down. But I know guys that wanted to pull their hair out after fiddling with a pile of parts after disassembling it for the first time.

Good luck and check back in with a range report.
 
45collector said:
By the way, I wasn't intending to discourage you from doing your own mods, DaveyG. Was just trying to give you an idea of what to expect if you'll be working on it yourself. As others stated, its really not that hard to take this gun down. But I know guys that wanted to pull their hair out after fiddling with a pile of parts after disassembling it for the first time.

Good luck and check back in with a range report.
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I didn't take your comment that way at all and believe me I did want to pull my hair out for a quick moment. I am not the most mechanically inclined person but can usually take down the firearms that I own but this one definitely has it's quirks and this after watching several videos of individuals taking it apart and putting it back together. Hope to get to shoot it Friday night.
 
DaveyG,

The Ruger Mk is one of the best all around .22 values there is. it is a gun you will hand down to your kids. Now invest in a Volqhartsen or power custom trigger pack and it will truly become an accurate gun.

Go waste some time on rimfirecentral.com . There are some real experts over there. You can also learn how to modify the existing trigger parts to greatly improve the trigger at no cost.

As far as the ISSC. I ahve a friend who purchased one. According to him it is not anywhere near as good a gun as the Ruger, BUT, it allows him to practice IDPA and Steel stages for pennies on the dollar with a gun that handles like the glock he shoots competitively.

So in summary, if you shoot a glock, the ISSC is a reasonable buy. But everyone should own either a Ruber MK or a Browning Buckmark.
 
Alright back from the 1st range session, I was a little concerned becasue the 1st two magazines one of them seemed to have a sticky spring and didn't seem to feed the rounds up, also within the 1st two magazines I had a round chamber but not fire and when I retracted the bolt the round stayed in the chamber? I actually picked it out with the tip of my knife and it appeared that the nose of the bullet was partially shaved off. The good news is after the 1st few magazines the pistol fired another 200 rounds with a hitch and the thing is pretty damned accurate and I am very happy with my choice. I was using Winchester super X hollow point. Now time to consider these upgrades people have suggested some type of differant extractor and a bushing?? Are these upgrades a novice can/should attempt?
 
Intresting thing about those ISSC's. I was over in Worchester the other week and I decided to come back on RT 9 so I could stop at R&R, Tombstone and Ware Gun Shop.

Come to find out it's the guys at Ware Gun Shop that are the ISSC folks. I saw a few cardboard boxes on the counter and the black gun boxes inside so I took one out and looked it over, they look sweet. But at last, us MASS folks can't buy them so that sucks. The guy there told me that they are inporting them from Austria (if I remember right) and finshing them there and then selling them. They seem like a nice gun, I didn't handle it much as I couldn't buy it but it looked well made.

Now as far as the Ruger, you made a good buy, I own many Rugers, MK II's, MK III's and a MK III 22/45 (and many 10/22's [smile] ). You can't go wrong with a Ruger 22, they are great guns. My next one is going to be single-six. Some thing else to have fun with.

Enjoy !!!
 
DavidC77 said:
Intresting thing about those ISSC's. I was over in Worchester the other week and I decided to come back on RT 9 so I could stop at R&R, Tombstone and Ware Gun Shop.

Come to find out it's the guys at Ware Gun Shop that are the ISSC folks. I saw a few cardboard boxes on the counter and the black gun boxes inside so I took one out and looked it over, they look sweet. But at last, us MASS folks can't buy them so that sucks. The guy there told me that they are inporting them from Austria (if I remember right) and finshing them there and then selling them. They seem like a nice gun, I didn't handle it much as I couldn't buy it but it looked well made.

Now as far as the Ruger, you made a good buy, I own many Rugers, MK II's, MK III's and a MK III 22/45 (and many 10/22's [smile] ). You can't go wrong with a Ruger 22, they are great guns. My next one is going to be single-six. Some thing else to have fun with.

Enjoy !!!
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Man your not kidding it was fun and ammo is cheap and plentiful I can't wait to get back to the range. As far as that ISSC I did some research and found a few videos that show the pistol working well and it and being that I own a Glock it would be another inexpensive tool we have a place here in CT I can buy a new one for $235.00 so who knows what may happen down the road but I am very happy with the Ruger thus far
 
dcmdon said:
Davey,

Where in CT can you get the ISSC for $235??? That kind of money is less than an advantage arms .22 conversion for my Glock. I'd be really interested to know. Thanks,

Don

(hoffmans?)
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I have not seen them at Hoffman's but that is where I picked up my Ruger (paid 299.00 and it camhttp://www.riverviewsales.net/e with a brick of 500 Winchester), the ISSC I saw at Riverview Sales in East Windsor and I just checked there website and it still shows there for 235.00 go to the website and scroll down.
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Okay well I am completely frustrated now, went to the range Friday night and tried to break down the pistol today to clean it and some how the pistol is put back together but the bolt will only retract about halfway and now I cannot take it back apart the main spring housing will only come out a little and will not full swing out so I can try and remove the bolt. Any suggestions beofore I take it back to the gun store for assistabce?
 
The Ruger video us useless IMO, and at this point the pistol is reassembled and I cannot retract the bolt all the way or remove the mainspring housing? Agin the pistol IS reassembled and I CANNOT retract the bolt a the way and I CANNOT remove the mainspring housing it just will NOT come out there is no video showing this dilemma. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
 
The hammer strut is jammed against a pin in the grip.

You should be able to get the mainspring housing out. What are you using to try to get it out?

What do you mean by "will Not come out"??????

Here is what I would do. Tell me if this could work for you.

Use a paper clip bent into a sharp V to hook the mainspring release. Grasp it in a pair of pliars and pull it out.
There is no malfunction that could prevent you from pulling the mainspring release.

The next step is where I believe you are having problems. Removing the mainspring housing and recoil lug from the frame of the pistol.

You need to realize first that take down and reassembly is the single pain in the ass with this pistol. Everything else is great. But disassembly and reassembly are VERY much a Pain in the ass until the gun has a couple of thousand rounds through it and it gets broken in. (I can take my MK II apart faster than I can a 1911 now. p.s. save the paper clip)

OK. So my guess is you are tugging at the mainspring housing and the pin won't release from the receiver. What you need to do is use a clean rubber or leather mallet and wack the end of the pin. It will pop out.

Actually, to fix your problem you don't need to actually remove the pin. Your problem is that the end of the hammer strut did not go into the main spring housing when you reassembled it. It went into a part of the grip where it jammed (when the bolt is about half back) against a pin in the grip.

To solve this, pop the main spring housing (msh), and tilt it back, no need to remove the assembly from teh gun. hold the gun muzzle down, pull the trigger and shake the gun. This will make the hammer fall. Release the trigger and tilt the gun with the muzzle about 60 degrees up. Press the msh back in and swing the locking lever over. You should be good.

It sounds to me like you are suffereing from 2 items.

1) you got the hammer strut caught on that pin that crosses the grip in the same channel where the msh is.
2) the tightness of the gun has you thinking the msh/recoil pin won't come out. It will, it may just take a whack from a mallet.

If this doesn't help, pm me and I'll give you my phone number and I can talk you through it.

The ruger is a really great gun. The only hassel with it is that it takes a bit of practice to take appart.

Don

p.s. what are you doing taking it apart so soon any way. Don't even bother till you ahve 1000 rounds through it.
 
dcmdon said:
The hammer strut is jammed against a pin in the grip.

You should be able to get the mainspring housing out. What are you using to try to get it out?

What do you mean by "will Not come out"??????

Here is what I would do. Tell me if this could work for you.

Use a paper clip bent into a sharp V to hook the mainspring release. Grasp it in a pair of pliars and pull it out.
There is no malfunction that could prevent you from pulling the mainspring release.

The next step is where I believe you are having problems. Removing the mainspring housing and recoil lug from the frame of the pistol.

You need to realize first that take down and reassembly is the single pain in the ass with this pistol. Everything else is great. But disassembly and reassembly are VERY much a Pain in the ass until the gun has a couple of thousand rounds through it and it gets broken in. (I can take my MK II apart faster than I can a 1911 now. p.s. save the paper clip)

OK. So my guess is you are tugging at the mainspring housing and the pin won't release from the receiver. What you need to do is use a clean rubber or leather mallet and wack the end of the pin. It will pop out.

Actually, to fix your problem you don't need to actually remove the pin. Your problem is that the end of the hammer strut did not go into the main spring housing when you reassembled it. It went into a part of the grip where it jammed (when the bolt is about half back) against a pin in the grip.

To solve this, pop the main spring housing (msh), and tilt it back, no need to remove the assembly from teh gun. hold the gun muzzle down, pull the trigger and shake the gun. This will make the hammer fall. Release the trigger and tilt the gun with the muzzle about 60 degrees up. Press the msh back in and swing the locking lever over. You should be good.

It sounds to me like you are suffereing from 2 items.

1) you got the hammer strut caught on that pin that crosses the grip in the same channel where the msh is.
2) the tightness of the gun has you thinking the msh/recoil pin won't come out. It will, it may just take a whack from a mallet.

If this doesn't help, pm me and I'll give you my phone number and I can talk you through it.

The ruger is a really great gun. The only hassel with it is that it takes a bit of practice to take appart.

Don

p.s. what are you doing taking it apart so soon any way. Don't even bother till you ahve 1000 rounds through it.
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You know I thought I shouldn't take it apart so soon but I thought it would only help me become more familiar with the process, okay so on to my dilemma imagine a completely assembled pistol, the 1st step is to piviot that little pointy piece out (in Rugers video they show him hooking it with a paper clip) I can do that. Next you pivot the larger part of the main spring house out of the "backstrap" and that is what I cannot do. I don't even get to the point where you pull down which pulls the bolt stop pin down and out of the receiver allowing the bolt to come out. Assuming I have not ruined the pistol what cleaning would you do after a range session of only a few hundred rounds? Thanks in advance.

Dave
 
I bought a mkiii 22/45 last month and love it. I highly suggest buying "the ultimate cliploader". I can load a magazine in seconds without using my thumb to compress the spring. I've already put over 2k rounds through it, very few failures, and getting much better at disassembly and cleaning.

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