Maybe this is why we have an ammo shortage?Yeah this is beyond stupid IMO. They got some dumbass people working at Federal
They ain't going to sell shit. Unless this ammo is super plentiful and cheap, no one is going to switch from their 9mm, 380 etc guns.
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S&W Introduces the new SHIELD EZ 30 SUPER CARRY in the new 30 SUPER CARRY Caliber
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seanc
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Smith is jealous of Weatherby…
it’s kind of a shame they couldn’t have done a 7.62x25 or maybe a 9mm Makarov. And spur us makers to start putting it out.
spin it as “rediscovering” important historic calibers.
it’s kind of a shame they couldn’t have done a 7.62x25 or maybe a 9mm Makarov. And spur us makers to start putting it out.
spin it as “rediscovering” important historic calibers.
They're quoting $30 a box for fmj's.
I'll keep my 9mm thank you, even if the super carry's getting an extra inch of ballistic gel penetration.
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LittleCalm
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The comments about availability and price point are spot on. If there is tons of availability of 30SC and no 9mm, then perhaps price is less important. But certainly if the availability is so-so and the price is stupid, this new caliber is going nowhere. At least for 10mm you are getting unquestionably superior ballistics (not that the average person needs that superiority), but going from 9mm to 30SC and getting a couple extra rounds?
seanc
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i am not sure about this. They could have easily marketed a .380+p or a 9mm -p.
a gun marketed for women that could shoot the up/down loaded cartridges as well as the standards.
offering a gun in an odd/ new caliber that no shop is going to stock after the initial run of guns. And a round that will be completely out of production probably faster than the pistol is discontinued is a loser.
are you going to suggest that granny starts sourcing Star Brass or go to old west scrounger for brass and take up reloading?
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In my 357 sig, for carry, I shoot Underwood ammo, speer bonded jhp 125 grain going about 1500 fps, 600 ft/lbs of energy. I would say as far a competitor....to 30 super gay. Not even close.
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Lol on top of it all they still insulting consumers with 20 rd boxes of carry ammo. Here buy this new thing thats basically just a hot 380, and overpay for all the ammo too pls thx
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Yeah this is beyond stupid IMO. They got some dumbass people working at Federal
They ain't going to sell shit. Unless this ammo is super plentiful and cheap, no one is going to switch from their 9mm, 380 etc guns.
Maybe their theory is nobody will hoard the shit so people buying the guns ammo sales will be proportionate because its not as in demand.
Even if we pretended this wasnt a stupid idea I'm not seeing how this will be able to be cheaper than say, 380 even.
Lol but arent those people already better served by existing 380 and 9mm offerings? BTW in PF terms thats still operating at like 138PF so I am not seeing how they are going to get the
recoil much less than 9mm already is. So it's not going to cause any gains there. If you download it to make it squisihy you're back in 380 land.
"There is no free lunch".
About the only useful thing this does is ensure that nobody will be hoarding 30 Carry anytime soon.
Was thinking this might look like the .17 HMR.
Or maybe the .25 NAA or .32 NAA
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Guess not.
Or maybe the .25 NAA or .32 NAA
NAA-25NAA
25NAA Guardian - DISCONTINUED Caliber: .25 NAA Identical to the 32ACP frame, but chambered in proprietary 25NAA (a 32 bottle-neck cartridge) Magazine Capacity: 6+1 Stainless Steel
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NAA-32NAA
32NAA Guardian - DISCONTINUED .32NAA Caliber Identical to the 380ACP frame, but chambered in proprietary 32NAA (a 380 bottle-neck cartridge) 6+1 Capacity Stainless Steel
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Guess not.
The benefit appears to be 15-20% increase in capacity while maintaining 9mm terminal ballistics rather than any increase in terminal ballistics. But I don’t see any meaningful benefit with the current guns being offered. I’ll wait until there’s an LCP sized gun, then I may give the caliber a try.They're quoting $30 a box for fmj's.
I'll keep my 9mm thank you, even if the super carry's getting an extra inch of ballistic gel penetration.
NEW 30 Super Carry Handgun Caliber ⋆ Primer Peak
Today we learned of a new, unannounced, handgun caliber, the 30 Super Carry. Check out the details in our preview!
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At the time...possibly....but now 9mm is readily avail.
New rounds always sell new guns (fudd rifle marketing) .....and the carry pistol market is way larger than that....so they figure a certain percentage of people might flip who already have guns, and then it may entice newbies by calling it super carry.
Most of us know its all dumb and just a marketing ploy.
If it gets some pressure off the 9mm market I guess there's that.
Yeah, for now, until the next RetardPanic(TM) kicks up.
Yes.... however it would have actually made sense, if they launched it.... a year ago... you know, to go with all those guns people were panic buying.
And at the time you had the best group of buyers to sell into a product like that. A lot of that has evaporated.
It’s probably similar pressures to 9mm, so you’d be looking at shaving probably 0.08”-0.1” or thickness from the slide while gaining 1-2 additional rounds if you do a semi-double stack.
ReluctantDecoy
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How is 380 getting more expansion than 9mm here? Because of less penetration?
As for miracle 30...note sure it makes sense splitting 380/9mm hairs, but if it lives up to the hype, then a takeover for 380 wouldn't be terrible. Question there is if you still gain those 2 rounds vs 380.
It isn't a stupid idea. The 20% room savings
puts the shield plus at like 15ish round capacity
A fillsize frame at around 20-21
A 140mm mag at around 28 rounds
And a pdw magazine somewhere in the mid 40s
I see a use for this.
puts the shield plus at like 15ish round capacity
A fillsize frame at around 20-21
A 140mm mag at around 28 rounds
And a pdw magazine somewhere in the mid 40s
I see a use for this.
Could I jam enough powder in the case to make major....hmm
Palladin
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This. 357sig from a G33..... if you miss the perp you'll definitely singe his eyebrows and light his hair on fire
Flippin SWEET ! I wanna load up some fat 220 gr .308 spitzers and see how they slap a gong
*edit : Interesting specs say its a .312 bullet so that going to be a prepriatary projectile, the old .30 Carbine / .30 Herett .308 dia bullets won't work (or you can try but they will rattle all the way down the barrel)
*edit : Interesting specs say its a .312 bullet so that going to be a prepriatary projectile, the old .30 Carbine / .30 Herett .308 dia bullets won't work (or you can try but they will rattle all the way down the barrel)
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.22 TCM or nothin
Knob Creek
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Did not see this coming. Trying to formulate an intelligent response to this. Annnd I got nothin!
And back down to 10rds. in MA, CT, NY, NJ, CA, HI, MD etc. No advantage.
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jury is still out until hickok introduces it to mr. gong.
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Your right there. They missed the boat. Every newbie would have been walking into gun stores asking if they had the new 30 super gay.Yeah, for now, until the next RetardPanic(TM) kicks up.
Yes.... however it would have actually made sense, if they launched it.... a year ago... you know, to go with all those guns people were panic buying.
group of buyers to sell into a product like that. A lot of that has evaporated.
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