Don't read too much into this, but have any of you ever seen or heard of someone making a SBR AR in .458 SOCOM?
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http://www.tromix.com/socom-parts.htm
The dude hangs on Subguns , has made some cool/ odd things.
The dude hangs on Subguns , has made some cool/ odd things.
turbo38gn
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I'm in... Tromix looks like the ticket.... looks like they build everything there. Gonna have to break my 458 out, been a while.
dcmdon
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I met a guy at SHOT who appeared to be the authority on .458 Socom.
He had uppers, custom ammo, and even cans, all optimized for .458 Socom. I'll see if I can find his card.
My buddy built a TC Encore in .458. He bought some very very heavy .458 loads (I'm thinking 400 gr) that were subsonic. They were pretty quiet considering the .45" exit aperture on the can.
Don
He had uppers, custom ammo, and even cans, all optimized for .458 Socom. I'll see if I can find his card.
My buddy built a TC Encore in .458. He bought some very very heavy .458 loads (I'm thinking 400 gr) that were subsonic. They were pretty quiet considering the .45" exit aperture on the can.
Don
dcmdon
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OK. I got the info I referenced above.
The company is Southern Ballistic Research (SBR, get it? )
Their web site is sbrammunition.com
And I was off on the weight of their full charge subsonic .458 Socom loads. They are in fact 500 gr (!!) bullets.
Don
The company is Southern Ballistic Research (SBR, get it? )
Their web site is sbrammunition.com
And I was off on the weight of their full charge subsonic .458 Socom loads. They are in fact 500 gr (!!) bullets.
Don
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Can you run subsonic 458SOCOM through a 45 can?
dcmdon
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it depends on what kind of bullet you intend to shoot through it.
Its all about pressure and volume of gas.
If you intend to shoot a 250 gr bullet at 900 fps, then you should be fine, as this is effectively a .45 Super.
If you intend to run the cartridge at anything near full performance (whether its a 250 gr bullet at 1800 fps or a 500 gr bullet at 900 fps), you are generating much too much pressure and gas volume for a .45 ACP can to deal with effetively.
Even if you were to make a .45 ACP can capable of taking the pressure, its volume would not be substantial enough to effectively silence the round given the large volume of gas a full pressure (whether fast and light or slow and heavy) round would create.
I have a thing for .22 cans because they are the only handgun cans that don't destroy the balance of the gun, with one exception.
I have the only 9mm can that I know of that is light enough to work without a piston and doesn't destroy the balance of the gun.
Its called the DeGroat Nano. Its all titanium and is sized like a .22 can. It also weighs only 3 ounces, about like a .22 can. But this extreme smallness has required other engineering compromises. It uses an end wipe. Its a piece of plastic that is pierced by the bullet and effectively closes the exit aperture after the bullet leaves the can.
This allows a small can to retain more gas and decreases noise. But it also allows a lot of pressure to remain in the can at the time the slide begins to come back. When this happens, the handgun blows a lot of gas and crap out the ejection port, which makes a mess and is just plain annoying. But its small and reasonably quiet.
If you remove the wipe, or drill a hole in it, the can gets much much louder because the volume is not large enough to work with 9mm's volume of gas without a wipe.
It also works just fine as a .22 can without wipes because of the .22's lower powder volume. With a .22 sized hole drilled in the wipe, it works great as a .22 can.
I like it because with a drilled wipe, it works pretty wall as a full auto rated .22 can.
With a standard wipe, its a moderately effective 9mm can that doesn't ruin the balance of the gun.
Don
Its all about pressure and volume of gas.
If you intend to shoot a 250 gr bullet at 900 fps, then you should be fine, as this is effectively a .45 Super.
If you intend to run the cartridge at anything near full performance (whether its a 250 gr bullet at 1800 fps or a 500 gr bullet at 900 fps), you are generating much too much pressure and gas volume for a .45 ACP can to deal with effetively.
Even if you were to make a .45 ACP can capable of taking the pressure, its volume would not be substantial enough to effectively silence the round given the large volume of gas a full pressure (whether fast and light or slow and heavy) round would create.
I have a thing for .22 cans because they are the only handgun cans that don't destroy the balance of the gun, with one exception.
I have the only 9mm can that I know of that is light enough to work without a piston and doesn't destroy the balance of the gun.
Its called the DeGroat Nano. Its all titanium and is sized like a .22 can. It also weighs only 3 ounces, about like a .22 can. But this extreme smallness has required other engineering compromises. It uses an end wipe. Its a piece of plastic that is pierced by the bullet and effectively closes the exit aperture after the bullet leaves the can.
This allows a small can to retain more gas and decreases noise. But it also allows a lot of pressure to remain in the can at the time the slide begins to come back. When this happens, the handgun blows a lot of gas and crap out the ejection port, which makes a mess and is just plain annoying. But its small and reasonably quiet.
If you remove the wipe, or drill a hole in it, the can gets much much louder because the volume is not large enough to work with 9mm's volume of gas without a wipe.
It also works just fine as a .22 can without wipes because of the .22's lower powder volume. With a .22 sized hole drilled in the wipe, it works great as a .22 can.
I like it because with a drilled wipe, it works pretty wall as a full auto rated .22 can.
With a standard wipe, its a moderately effective 9mm can that doesn't ruin the balance of the gun.
Don
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that's a damn good question. i looked at a few models and it seems like the answer is "it depends". this one says .45 ACP, .450 bushmaster, .44 magnum, and .458 socom are all OK: http://www.coastalgun.com/Home/Suppressors/CenterFireRifleSupressors/ModelXSuppressor.aspx
someone posted in a thread elsewhere:
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dcmdon
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If someone builds a .45 ACP can that can take a full pressure .458 Socom, then its by engineering necessity larger and heavier than is optimal for a pure .45 ACP can.
You can't change the laws of physics. There is no free lunch.
For example, Gemtech makes a 5.5 ounce .45 can. (plus the weight of the mount).
Compare that to a .458 can that can take full pressure loads at well over a pound even if its made of Ti.
The gemtech is not made of anything exotic, just 7075 Al
You can't change the laws of physics. There is no free lunch.
For example, Gemtech makes a 5.5 ounce .45 can. (plus the weight of the mount).
Compare that to a .458 can that can take full pressure loads at well over a pound even if its made of Ti.
The gemtech is not made of anything exotic, just 7075 Al
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