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Pump-action shotguns that come with factory tube extensions are sold all over the state. I'm not trying to downplay anyone's investigative work into the convoluted MGLs, but this sounds like an awfully novel interpretation of what would otherwise seem like a settled issue.
So then the Mossberg 930SPX with the +3 tube for sale at Dick's would be...?
A really interesting data point. Does anybody have a copy of Glidden's book? What does he say on the subject?
So then the Mossberg 930SPX with the +3 tube for sale at Dick's would be...?
I'm also still curious about an 11+ round internal box magazine.
Since pumps are, by definition, incapable of being large capacity....can their non-detachable magazines be considered large capacity?
Obviously, in the case of something like the Rem M7605 (pump action rifle that takes AR mags), possession of the rifle should be fine with any license, as long as you don't possess LC AR mags without an LTC.
But what if you had a bolt-action rifle with an internal, non detachable 11 round magazine?
Pump-action shotguns that come with factory tube extensions are sold all over the state. I'm not trying to downplay anyone's investigative work into the convoluted MGLs, but this sounds like an awfully novel interpretation of what would otherwise seem like a settled issue.
I have an LTC-A. Does that mean a tube/magazine extension is considered a detachable magazine for AWB purposes - in other words, I'm fine as long as I don't add an extension?
A note for GSG- BTW, Glidden seems to state that a magazine tube extension on a pump is NOT an ammunition feeding device, and rather that it is only a metal tube, because it is incapable of holding shells when it is detached from the shotgun. I'm obviously paraphrasing here, but you get the drift...
So then the Mossberg 930SPX with the +3 tube for sale at Dick's would be...?
Does it have a pistol grip??? if so then yes it would be Illegal in MA. The question I have is there such thing as a pre-ban Shotgun? If I had a 20 year old 1100 model would it be exempt like an AR would be?
Mac
Thanks for posting this thread! I recently came up with the same question and was confused by seeing the guns available for sale vs. how the laws read. Rather than 3-gun, my question is related to having a pump home defender with tube extension. What I'm taking away from this is:
- pump shotgun cannot be a large capacity weapon
- pump shotgun cannot be an assault weapon
but.....
- a post-ban tube extension may or may not be considered an illegal large capacity feeding devise
- possession of a post-ban pump shotgun capable of holding more than 5 rounds may or may not be a felony
- the pump shotguns on dealer shelves with >5 round capacity may be illegal
This would be a gun for personal defense in the home. As a safe queen, no would ever know or question. If/when its ever used for its intended purpose, it would face some scutiny. The notion that someone probably wouldn't try to prosecute isn't very settling. Sounds like a "standard" Rem 870 is the safest best and admittedly, just as effective.
Pump guns are exempt.....you can do what ever you would like other than shorten the barrel to under 18". Folding stock, extrended magazine tube, pistol grip, all does not matter on a *Pump*.
Mac
Pump guns are exempt.....you can do what ever you would like other than shorten the barrel to under 18". Folding stock, extrended magazine tube, pistol grip, all does not matter on a *Pump*.
Mac
I don't know your level of knowledge wrt MA gun laws, but well-educated people on MA gun laws are NOT so sure about the extended mag tube . . . even on a pump shotgun. I include myself in that category, and would not pronounce it "OK" and would suggest caution.
Your other points are valid . . . it's just the "large capacity feeding device" (which is a separate part of the law) that is at issue here (maybe).
Pump guns are exempt.....you can do what ever you would like other than shorten the barrel to under 18". Folding stock, extrended magazine tube, pistol grip, all does not matter on a *Pump*.
Mac
I have seen high capacity pump guns on dealers shelves for years.
I have seen high capacity pump guns on dealers shelves for years. You can interperate the laws any way you wish but if all the local FFL dealers have sold them for years without getting in trouble I *guess* thats good enough for me. To each there own.
Mac
It shouldn't be. There are dealers in MA that will sell you a post ban magazine or post-ban assault weapon without blinking an eye.
I'm guessing no one really cared about this before because shotguns were FUDD. Now that everyone wants one of the new Kel-Tec's, we'll see how it sorts itself out.
Good luck getting a "100 % clean" answer on this. The on the ground wisdom has always indicated that pumps were exempt from this capacity BS. IMHO the truly paranoid should call a competent gun lawyer.
-Mike