Tomorrow, I'm applying for the Class A LTC

[EASJacket007]

Dunno if this was covered in any of the other stickies around here, but I'm applying for an Class A LTC in Falmouth, MA tomorrow. Is there anything I should be aware of going in? Will the fact that I'm a graduate student affect the process? I've lived in MA full time now for almost 2 years.

I've put down as my reasoning for carrying as "home defense, target practice and hunting/skeet shooting"? Is this incorrect, or do I need to get white-out and replace with All Lawful Purposes?

Again, sorry if this is covered elsewhere.

 

[TOM-P]

I have no knowledge of Falmouth but I would guess writing

"home defense, target practice and hunting/skeet shooting"?

would get you a restricted target and hunting permit

Tom

 

[EASJacket007]

Well, like I said, I'm a graduate student, so I spend most of my day over a computer or in the laboratory.

Would having a target and/or hunting license prohibit me from carrying a revolver in a backpack during hikes in bear country?

 

[Mr Weebles]

Well, like I said, I'm a graduate student, so I spend most of my day over a computer or in the laboratory.

Would having a target and/or hunting license prohibit me from carrying a revolver in a backpack during hikes in bear country?

Yes.

Put down "All Lawful Purposes."

Why restrict yourself? If Falmouth is going to downgrade your license, let them do it. They don't need your help.

 

[Mikey]

The only way you can carry at all is with a no restriction class A, you should apply for an "All Lawful Purpose" no matter what you will be doing. This is the only reason you should have to give unless Falmouth has a policy of requiring more which is not right but unless you want to go to court then you have to live with it.

But once again in the reason area put "All Lawful Purposes".

But also remember that if you are on campus that is a whole other matter and probably can't have a gun at all while there, so check the laws and rules of your school.

 

[Lynne]

1) Put down "For all lawful purposes."

2) You cannot carry it on school property - any school.

3) Yes, you could carry it in your backpack as long as you get a "None" in the restrictions section on the license, and, you make sure you're out of the woods 1/2 hour before sunset.

(Did I get the last one right Scriv? )

 

[Scrivener]

Would having a target and/or hunting license prohibit me from carrying a revolver in a backpack during hikes in bear country?

No. However, having the revolver in your backpack while in bear country might well prevent it from actually being useful.

Unless you're a Treadwell wanna-be....

 

[TomH]

I'm trying to figure out where the bear country is in MA...

 

[Talon3]

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Here are 2 links about Black Bears in Mass. http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_bears.htm


http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_black_bear.htm

 

[Mikey]

I'm trying to figure out where the bear country is in MA...

When I use to live in Sturbridge I spent a lot of time at Wells SP, we always saw the signs of bears like droppings and prints. Once we even had a scared women and childeren run past us saying they saw a bear and were getting out of the park (must have been city folk ).

 

[TomH]

hehe sorry I'm an eastern mass'er

 

[Mikey]

hehe sorry I'm an eastern mass'er

That's ok nobody's perfect.

 

[Ripach]

I don't have any experience with Falmouth but my town (westport) will no longer accept All Lawful Purposes as a reason for issuing, however if you put enough reasons on the app. it comes back with no restrictions. IIRC I put Personal protection, Home Defense, Target, Hunting, Skeet & Trap all on mine even though I don't participate in all of those activities. IMHO I would ask the officer I had to deal with his opinion on whether or not to put ALP on the license app. or to list the activities/reasons I needed the LTC for.

 

[RKG]

Would the fact that you're a graduate student have any bearing? It might well.

If I were the issuing authority, I'd ask how long you'd been in Massachusetts? Where did you reside before then? When you came to Massachusetts, was it to facilitate the graduate studies or for some other reason? Where do you go when school is on vacation (if that is a relevant issue for a graduate student in you didn't say what field)? Where do you intend to work after you've completed your degree requirements?

The point I am making is that taking up a residence in a state other than your home state for the purpose of attending school, unless coupled with a then-determined intention to remain in the new state for the indefinite future, even beyond graduation, does not make you a resident of the new state. And, of course, if you are not a resident of Massachusetts, you cannot apply for a resident LTC.

 

[95blklsc]

Ripatch, where are you from in Westport? I'm also in Westport. When I applied back in November ALP didn't cut it either, I needed three letters of refrence and a personal statement regarding reasons for applying. Although I didn't have a problem getting "Restrictions: None" it was quite a process.

 

[EASJacket007]

I've lived here in MA full time for almost two years now. During my first year of my Masters studies, I lived in Cambridge in a school dormatory, which whould preclude the storage of firearms, plus the fact that I really didn't want to deal with the Cambridge PD.

Now, I've moved full time to Cape Cod to be near my research site. I've got a full time address here since last June, I've filed MA taxes. All I don't have is an MA drivers license.

I'll probably stick around for at least another 2 years. My girlfriend is working on her doctorate, so I'll stick around while she's doing that. But, I'm going to eventually move where the both of us can get jobs, and with MA going the way it is, who knows where that'll be.

 

[pj150]

Hmmm... If you don't have a MA driver's license are you still considered a MA resident? Probably not I would think. The Police will certainly run your DL against their computers and if you don't come back it will probably get you denied.

 

[EASJacket007]

So, wait, you have to have an MA drivers license to get any sort of a card?

 

[TY43215]

So, wait, you have to have an MA drivers license to get any sort of a card?

If you are a MA resident, you are required to have a MA drivers license. Where do you vote?

Sounds to me like you are a non resident student.

Read this http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/90-3.5.htm

Then check your home state for reciprocal agreements on licensing. Most states it is immediately upon being gainfully employed that you are required to obtain a resident operators license.

ALSO Don't use white out. Down load another application.

 

[Coyote33]

If you are a MA resident, you are required to have a MA drivers [sic] license. ...

You are? My grandmother was born, raised, lived, and died in MA. She never drove a day in her life. She never had a MA driver's license. She was indeed a MA resident.

 

[Scrivener]

You are? My grandmother was born, raised, lived, and died in MA. She never drove a day in her life. She never had a MA driver's license. She was indeed a MA resident.

HER residency is not in question.

That of a student who now purports to be a Mass. resident while lacking the basic indicia of the required DL IS.

 

[Coyote33]

HER residency is not in question.

That of a student who now purports to be a Mass. resident while lacking the basic indicia of the required DL IS.

I am still failing to see where a DL is required. I knew plenty of students who paid taxes (minimally) and voted and lived in MA, but at least 2 I knew did not drive.

 

[TomH]

I believe you have to register to vote in a town to become officially a resident? I could be wrong.

 

[JonJ]

He stated that he doesn't have a MA DL. People are assuming that he holds an out of state DL. You don't need a DL to get an FID/LTC but if he's holding a DL from another state, it's kind of hard to say that you're a MA resident. Or he's admitting that he's in violation of MA Chp 90.

 

[dreppucci007]

I would imagine that the state which you hold a permanent address (Where you pay your state taxes and vote) would be the state that you can hold a resident LTC. If you do either outside of MA, you are not a MA resident.

A MA driver's license is not required (I have to assume), however I wouldn't put it past being questioned why you still have an out-of-state license, and that may be an issue.

I know it was that way in CT...I had to change my MA DL over to a CT one before they'd let me have a CT LTC as a resident (I word it like that because there is no separate designation of Res or Non-Res LTC in CT).

 

[EASJacket007]

Well, obviously, I'm holding off on this until I get some things straightened up.

Going to go talk to with my academic advisor, as I'd imagine that this thing comes up frequently.

FWIW, I pay MA taxes and have my IRS~legal address in MA. However, I still use my parents home some documents like my GA DL and my passport. I'm "home" about 2 weeks out of the year at Christmas.

If I need to switch over to a MA DL, then I need to do that and nobody told me about it. I'm getting paid on an academic fellowship

I was told that a resident was someone who maintained a primary residence here for more than 180 days of the year (for tax purposes) and I can prove that with my lease. Do I need to register to vote in MA as well?

 

[RKG]

Well, obviously, I'm holding off on this until I get some things straightened up.

Going to go talk to with my academic advisor, as I'd imagine that this thing comes up frequently.

FWIW, I pay MA taxes and have my IRS~legal address in MA. However, I still use my parents home some documents like my GA DL and my passport. I'm "home" about 2 weeks out of the year at Christmas.

If I need to switch over to a MA DL, then I need to do that and nobody told me about it. I'm getting paid on an academic fellowship

I was told that a resident was someone who maintained a primary residence here for more than 180 days of the year (for tax purposes) and I can prove that with my lease. Do I need to register to vote in MA as well?

By all means, do not consult with an "academic advisor;" consult with a Massachusetts attorney.

Based on the statements quoted, in my opinion you are a Georgia resident.

Be wary of rules of thumb regarding residency, and be wary of quasi-residency tests (such as that for reciprocity under Ch. 90 or for federal income tax purposes). Massachusetts adheres to the common law rule: one starts with the residence of his parents, which continues until changed; and one changes one's residence only by physically acquiring an abode in another state and moving to that state with a present intention of remaining there indefinitely. Physical presence in Massachusetts to facilitate education is prima facie temporary, and you've previously stated an intention to move elsewhere after your education is over. Now you state that you've maintained a George driver's license and you've represented to the United States Department of State that Georgia is your state of residence. If this were a bar exam question, based solely on the facts stated in this thread, the correct answer would be that you are not a Massachusetts resident.

 

[TomH]

if you in fact are not a resident that means you could apply for an out of state carry permit I believe.

 

[vellnueve]

If you are a Georgia resident, you should get your CCW license there and get a Mass NR LTC. State police only issue ALP.

 

[TY43215]

You are? My grandmother was born, raised, lived, and died in MA. She never drove a day in her life. She never had a MA driver's license. She was indeed a MA resident.

Edited to:
No need to reply Scrivner already pointed out your ridiculous statement.