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Pretty much. ITs marketing and its always pushed the legal definition and actually laws have changed around it........dribble these new tech things out to sell new guns. Muzzleloading has come a long way, but so hasn't archery, crossbows, and guns in general.So, are these just an exercise in how far can we push technology to test the edge of the legal definition? That is - to make something that technically is a muzzle-loader so you can still use it in ML season, but practically is as close to a cartridge-fed firearm as we can get without crossing that line?
Thanks for clarifying. I kept looking at things like this and saying "what's the point?"Pretty much. ITs marketing.......dribble these new tech things out to sell new guns. Muzzleloading has come a long way, but so hasn't archery, crossbows, and guns in general.
I started off in MA 30 years ago using a 58 cal smoothbore (scared of rifles in MA, even muzzleloaders), , open sights only, actual black powder as there was no subs commerically available yet.
Then they allowed rifles barrels...yup, new gun T/C White Mtn Carbine. Traded the old 58 cal....which was a tackdriver with round balls BTW.
Then scopes.....yup new gun inline T/C.....can't even remember what it was, as I quickly traded it for a easy breech plug, break open action, and hunted with it all along before break opens were legal. Just because they are a snap to clean, and load and unload without firing. Took the 209 primers which were much more easy to get and reliable and you can use pellets with all sorts of substitutes.
Now.....I kinda like the thought of hunting with the old White Mtn Carbine again with open sights......could really care less about the new MZ technology. Its gone far enough for me.
Handling 777 pellets is not a mess at all. Pull thr breach plug and push the projo and pellets out the back if you don't fire a shot after a day in the field.I'm wondering if these things will work in my Traditions LRC or if there's a retrofit for the rifle. Guessing that I'll have to buy a new gun. Seems like just for the convenience it would be worth it. Handling powder in the field is a mess.
It's all muzzle loading - the projectile gets fed in from the front of the barrel. I like my ml with open sights, it keeps me "thinking" muzzle loader shots. I just think that the tech is cool because you can do hunt how you want. I have my eye on a traditional ml, but don't hunt enough to justify the price. I use a compound bow, but it would really be cool to hunt with a traditional archery setup. So just because the tech exists, doesn't mean you have to use it.
That's why I said to check the states that you were going to use it in. If not allowed in many states, I don't see it lasting long.it will become useless if they stop making the fire sticks.FYI it's not legal for muzzleloader season in MA, it's actually not even legal during shotgun. They are regulated by ATF as a firearm. Go on gunbroker and try to get one without an FFL. you can't.
Thanks for sharing the information.I just got a response from the N.H. Fish and Game that the use of Traditions new Nitro Fire is legal for N.H. muzzleloading deer season.
Bill
This is how I've generally put away my muzzleloader for 10 years now or ever since they introduced pellets........I never fire it off, because then you have to clean it.Handling 777 pellets is not a mess at all. Pull thr breach plug and push the projo and pellets out the back if you don't fire a shot after a day in the field.
This nitro fire is a solution looking for a problem. It will be a "flash in the pan" and fail in the market miserably. Pun totally intended.
This is how I've generally put away my muzzleloader for 10 years now or ever since they introduced pellets........I never fire it off, because then you have to clean it.
Unscrew breech plug, push pellets and projectile out. Grease the barrel with some bore butter, wipe the whole outside with clp and put away til next year. Can't get much easier than
that.
They tell me using non petroleum bore butter and cleaners on the inside of the barrel only, will season the inside of the ML like a cast iron pan. I'm not sure why I care. I keep the thing cleaned after every time I shoot it....... like religion.Same here, less the bore butter. Mine gets CLP in and out.
Bob
They tell me using non petroleum bore butter and cleaners on the inside of the barrel only, will season the inside of the ML like a cast iron pan. I'm not sure why I care. I keep the thing cleaned after every time I shoot it....... like religion.
When my Dad taught me in 1985 when he bought me my first smoothbore Thompson Center and we were shooting actual black powder, there was no subs that I knew of back then........., His words " Its not fxcking smokeless powder, if you don't clean it right after, your barrel will rust and pit within days. Clean it or else your a goddamn idiot."
That was before stainless barrels and breech plugs......but if I shoot it.....I clean it. No more hot water and soap though, I just douche it good with the T/C non petroleum cleaner and patches (which is probably liquid soap diluted) and dry really well, and put it up with few greased patches of bore butter. Never had any rust.