HARRYM
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Wasn't our choice, they brought it to us and have no intention of stopping. Its as straightforward as this, there is no going back and all that is left is to decide the winner.
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Trump looking at getting rid of regulations for supressors..
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kevin9
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True all that, but I would think the process of application and approval by the cognizant executive branch agency (i.e. ATF) could be greatly simplified and accelerated at the direction of the head of the executive branch. For example, the approval process could (should?) resemble the current firearms purchase process (ex. using NICS for the background check and approval) without having to modify current law.
Chevy 2 65
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Close down the ATF instead
Agreed. The stamp tax silliness would still be in place but the rest could be simplified without legislation.
FalArAk
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True, it should be like buying a muzzle brake or flashhider.
The winner FOR HOW LONG?
The Republicans will probably lose control of the House in the midterms and might even lose control of the Senate. The Democrats WILL regain control at some point, the only question is WHEN.
Whenever their party is in power, people always say “there shouldn’t be any checks and balances because those bad guys are stopping us from doing what needs to be done!” A term or two later, when the other party is in power, those very same people are using all of the checks and balances to stop or slow down the other party.
If you take away checks and balances, then the other team will use that against you when they regain power.
Harry Reid removed the filibuster for judicial nominations, to try to get Obama’s SCOTUS appointment through. Then during Trump’s first term, the Republicans were able to approve Trump’s judicial nominations without having to win a vote of cloture, so they used Reid’s actions against the Democratic Party. If the Trump or the Republicans somehow remove checks and balances now, then the Democrats will use that against us in the future.
This is the very definition of “be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.”
i think with doge and all the rest it will be a true bloodbath now, as every 4 years or whenever party control changes - we will be having a complete purge.
it only gets worse with those things, never better.
They did when I was a kid.
HE CAN’T DO THAT! The NFA was passed by Congress. The president can’t undo that.
I don't think civics have been taught since 1980 ish.
HARRYM
NES Member
If Americans make that choice then the winner will be decided.
Again, for how long?
Trump and the Republicans are in power now. The Democrats will get back in power before too long. If we reduce checks and balances now, they will use that against us later.
HARRYM
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If the Leftist beat MAGA they will retain control for decades.
The Democrat Party is DEAD
The Republican Party is DEAD
For the life of me I can't understand why some haven't figured that out.
Thirwell1216
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I enjoy passing along potential information to further inform fellow gun owners of potential changes in regulations. Yes, I understand Trump does not have a magic wand. But with some strategic work with both houses, perhaps some change could happen. I'm glad that the subject is at least being explored and perhaps some compromise might happen. But who knows. The Hughes amendment was rammed through with little evidence that the bill would actually reduce crime. The wheeling and dealing then got domestic MG production axed from May 86 forward. This was an example of how the sausage was made. Pehaps our own version of reform could happnen now. So I think we can sit back and see if the zietgiest of the current admin might be able to straighten out some of the errors of the NFA and actually give law abiding citizens some choices.
View: https://youtu.be/11k7Go6OS6Q
Because tyrants don't give up that much control. That's literally the best we could ever get regardless, removal from NFA.
Not that this is going anywhere anyways.... trump can't repeal a law without getting legislation passed.
I wonder if any current mfgrs are lobbying against it. It would be company suicide if the word got out but yeah, profits would take a pretty large hit.
Neither party is dead. Almost all politicians across the country belong to one party or the other. They will adapt and change. The Democratic Party was founded in 1828. The Republican Party was founded in 1854. They have survived crises in the past. They will survive this as well.
The Republicans are in control now. They won't be in power forever, even if Doge is successful.
There have been many crises before where people said we need to tear up the Constitution. Watergate. The 1952 Steel Strike. They were wrong then. They are wrong now. We have a Constitution. It is imperfect. It is imperfectly followed. It always has been and always will be.
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You can bet there are a few that might quietly try........and they wouldn't be the first of keeping gun control for the sake of keeping their profits or membership numbers up.
oldguy68
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I like shooting firearms that make lots of noise.
Loud pipes save lives!
Be careful of what you wish for. They will then close down outdoor ranges because shooters won't use suppressors for some firearms.
The locals will complain and then you have zero outdoor ranges..
Loud pipes save lives!
Be careful of what you wish for. They will then close down outdoor ranges because shooters won't use suppressors for some firearms.
The locals will complain and then you have zero outdoor ranges..
Yes, exactly.... there's zero technical reasons for any NFA transaction involving a new device that doesn't involve a pre 86 MG to take any more than a few minutes. Electronic form filled out, tax collected, nics passed, done.
Dumbest reasons for not deregulating cans, ever.
Even if this happened tomorrow only a % of firearms will even take a can, and most people are too cheap to go the
distance. There are a lot of firearms that running cans is impractical or pointless, as well. (Revolvers, bird guns) and in most gun games
cans aren't going to be used unless it's literally part of the game/division.
I don't see the point in it, keeping suppressors NFA bound only exponentially limits suppressor sales. The desire for a "conspiracy" doesnt make sense when EVERYONE making and selling cans would win big from them not being NFA devices.
I also have to partially disagree with @whatluck ; sure there are going to be skinflint cans but they're not going to disrupt the market that much, if anything those devices will satisfy a desire at the lower end of the market. Let's not pretend people haven't been developing these things right along and even making them as prototypes (or in some cases they do some trickeration on the controlled parts or offer cheap rebuilds to customers) they just dont bother selling them as much because the buyer market for cans is not sated right now by that kind of junk, but lets not pretend an absence of regulatory BS suddenly changes physics and material science. (Actually there already is a burgeoning skinflint can market, mostly in 22 LR
cans and that kind of thing where people dont want to pay a lot for a plinker).
HARRYM
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I hate to tell ya, MAGA won the elections not the RINO Party. I hope the RINO Party, Neocon Party and the Globalist Party is permanently dead.
seanc
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A big what if may be that “factory made” stays NFA… but if DIY is not. Pretty much what was tried at the state, in state use only.
I doubt it would happen, but you could then go up to NH, buy some and keep them up in a free state with friends.
It would be great if we could get sensible movement on de-restricting silencers in MA. But the legislators won’t listen to logic, health considerations, or the fact that it won’t increase crime. They’ll fight it to be vindictive. The only hope in MA is a SCOTUS ruling. But a recent 5th circuit ruling, finding they weren’t firearms and could be regulated, is worrying.
556USER
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Could an amendment to the NFA, removing suppressors, be slipped into a budget bill ? LOL I'd imagine that some libtard item would have to be "traded" for that line item get in and get the votes.
Well, it depends on the legislation that got passed, if ever. The obvious skid-greased solution is to move cans into being Title-1 devices*, which presumably then they would have most of the
same regs. It wouldn't be any different than posession of a title 1 firearm. Which means that you could presumably still homebrew them if you are not a prohibited person.
*before anyone jumps my shit, It's not that I WANT this outcome. I'd rather have them completely unregulated, like a flash suppressor or brake or something. But I live in the real world. And the real world generally means that there are going to be concessions demanded by faggots, and if I was going to make an educated guess, you could get enough half-shitty pols to suck for moving them from retarded regulation to regulating them like regular guns are, but not total deregulation.
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