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Went to Dean Safety at the mill

Greg said:
This is intimidating for first time gun owners and something should be done about it because it is putting us in a bad light to future gun owners, and maybe even women !

First time gun owners should be greeted with a warm welcome and hand being held through the entire buying process because it can be intimidating. This obvious shaming of people that are less than knowledgeable about firearms is doing our whole community a disservice.
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This is just a continuation of the old "Gun Shop Culture". Fat old men sitting around the shop, thinking they know so much, belittling potential customers. I would assume they Do sell Glocks?????
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CrackPot said:
I like my customers too much to ever sell them a Taurus (or a hi point or a rock island or...)
40 short and wimpy is for FBI agents with limp wrists. Hot 9mm or 10mm or go home.
You can buy shields and the likes at the deli ticket emporium or any other shop in MA.

If this all offends you then just down the hall is Custom Defense Solutions and he will sell you what you want. Every shield my distributor sends me I send to Jason @ CDS as it meets his business model and not mine. That some of you think you get to have an opinion on how I run my business makes me chuckle. You get to decide what shop you go to and I get to decide how I run my shop. Don't confuse the two.

No one at the Mill does this full time. A full time shop is most likely gated by inventory or capital or something. I am gated by TIME, my time. I am open 3 days a week for a total of 15 hours. Essentially for every minute we are open I am busy processing background checks and/or helping customers. This means selling low margin shields that are available at every shop in MA is not a good use of my time. Selling more unique guns which demand a higher $$ margin (though lower % margin) is the right decision since I am completely time limited.

If you are a small shop, open 40+ hours a week and limited by capital (the amount of money you can tie up in inventory) then you want to stock the shelves with Tauruses and Shields. You pay $250 a gun and sell them for $300 each. That means your margin per transaction is $50 but more importantly it is 16.7% (50/300).

If you are time limited and not capital limited you are better off buying more expensive guns that cost $900 each and sell for $1000. Your margin per transaction is $100 but only 10%.

Small shop has no time constraints so doing lots of small transactions at 16.7% is better for his bottom line. They get 16.7% on whatever inventory they buy.
I am time limited and doing background checks literally as fast as I can so $100/transaction is better than $50/transaction. While I only get 10% return on my inventory, I get more $ per unit time.

Small shop measures return on capital.
I measure $ per unit time open.

Different business model therefore different decision about what to stock and sell.

The good news is we tell you upfront you are at the wrong shop before you even walk through the door.
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Hey leave Rock Island out of this lol
 
Greg said:
No shit, if I can sell Anderson lowers for $250 a pop, why the F would I sell a handgun and only make $50 ?

Pretty sure they have the profit thing figured out, more power to them.
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Why not sell both? Jeesus, people act like doing a NICS check it so daunting. Just picked up a couple of 12 Gauge shotguns I ordered online (the HORROR), stopped by the FFL, he took my DL and pointed to the computer terminal. Took all of about 5 minutes to fill everything out. Wandered around his shop for about another 10 waiting for approval, bought some cleaning supplies, handed him $70 for the transfers and was on my way. Total FFL/Customer interaction........ less than 5 minutes.
 
Bt74 said:
Why not sell both? Jeesus, people act like doing a NICS check it so daunting. Just picked up a couple of 12 Gauge shotguns I ordered online (the HORROR), stopped by the FFL, he took my DL and pointed to the computer terminal. Took all of about 5 minutes to fill everything out. Wandered around his shop for about another 10 waiting for approval, bought some cleaning supplies, handed him $70 for the transfers and was on my way. Total FFL/Customer interaction........ less than 5 minutes.
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You live in NH. In MA we also have to record the transactions on MIRCS with the state to maintain the non registry registry. Paperwork time is doubled or worse for rifles handguns and shotguns. Adding another item to the 4473 is low overhead. Doing state paperwork doubles for two items, triples for three, ...

As I mentioned earlier in the thread I am completely bottlenecked on paperwork time during limited open hours. Crap guns are available elsewhere...
 
gerrycaruso said:
If you want political correctness, don't go to the mill.
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I have no idea what you are saying, Gerry. We are a very diverse group with a boring white middle aged Irishman, a Russian Jewish Russian speaking immigrant and an oversized brown Egyptian Muslim Arabic speaking immigrant and you think we are not politically correct? You hurt me...

PS you are totally correct. There are few limits on poking fun of one another in the shop and most PC topics are in bounds and regularly flaunted.
 
CrackPot said:
I have no idea what you are saying, Gerry. We are a very diverse group with a boring white middle aged Irishman, a Russian Jewish Russian speaking immigrant and an oversized brown Egyptian Muslim Arabic speaking immigrant and you think we are not politically correct? You hurt me...

PS you are totally correct. There are few limits on poking fun of one another in the shop and most PC topics are in bounds and regularly flaunted.
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Alhamdulillah. Make Allah Great Again.
 
This also shows everything that is wrong with the Mill. We have an oversized, brown, religious for one month a year, Egyptian, Muslim, Arabic speaking, immigrant, running a business called MAGA Arms located at the mill because the local ATF office recommended he open the business at the Mill. This is what is wrong with America today.
 
CrackPot said:
This also shows everything that is wrong with the Mill. We have an oversized, brown, religious for one month a year, Egyptian, Muslim, Arabic speaking, immigrant, running a business called MAGA Arms located at the mill because the local ATF office recommended he open the business at the Mill. This is what is wrong with America today.
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The only thing that is wrong with America are the clowns trying to tell me how to run my business. Makes me feel so oppressed.
 
I don't get it. Call, text, email whatever shop you want to go to and let them know what you're looking for. If they don't have it or can't get it, move on to the next. If you're going to wait in a line wouldn't it make sense to know they have what you want beforehand?
 
Love the sign, and the experiences I’ve had at the mill. Btw, if you want your shield to stop telling jokes, just let it spend an afternoon with Dave Santurri. It will get serious.
 
new guy said:
They don’t need your business. One sees that sign after waiting in an hour+ line.
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Wait. An hour??? Damn. You could catch the Vid in that line! LOL

I was in and out in about 15 min way-back-when. I think 2 years ago??? I'd give CrackPot more biz if he lived closer and if I was buying guns like it was 1999 again. LOL. That whole room is awesome.

Greg said:
This is intimidating for first time gun owners and something should be done about it because it is putting us in a bad light to future gun owners, and maybe even women !

First time gun owners should be greeted with a warm welcome and hand being held through the entire buying process because it can be intimidating. This obvious shaming of people that are less than knowledgeable about firearms is doing our whole community a disservice.
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I don't think a lot of first-time-gun-owners are going to The Mill. I just can't see it.


Oh, and isn't it technically TAURII not TAURUSES????
 
I wouldn't sell Shields, either. Worst gun I've ever fired, and I've tried three of them including a "custom" one with an Apex trigger. They're doing new owners a great service by not saddling them with that trash.

I've been to Dean Safety and it was an excellent experience.
 
Happy feet said:
Wether you like the sign or not, you must say "Well done Mr Crackpot" as this sign has turned out to be an awesome marketing promotion for a shop that already has more business than it can handle.
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👍"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."
 
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daekken said:
I wouldn't sell Shields, either. Worst gun I've ever fired, and I've tried three of them including a "custom" one with an Apex trigger. They're doing new owners a great service by not saddling them with that trash.

I've been to Dean Safety and it was an excellent experience.
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Maybe Dean Safety can correct me if I am wrong, but if they could sell Shields at a 200% markup, they would sell Shields.

Makes it worth their while to sell a $200 gun for $600.
 

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