Oh the humanity!Japanese houses are made of paper walls! CO2 will bleed through the walls.
Anyone got a match?

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Oh the humanity!Japanese houses are made of paper walls! CO2 will bleed through the walls.
Anyone got a match?
Yup. Definitely the way to go. Just make sure that you go with a true sine wave setup, or you're setting yourself up for shortening the lifespan of the blower and controls.My gas forced hot air system is 110V and only draws about 150W to run the blower motor and control electronics. During the last extended power outage, I got it up and running off a small inverter running off my car. It was a jury-rigged hack job, but it was enough to warm the house back up. Cost less than $100 and now I have an inverter and a bigass extension cord that I can use for all kinds of things.
Agreed. If I had kids, I wouldn't be leaving loaded firearms OR lit kero heaters around when I wasn't watching them, though. There were opinions asked for and given...that's all.This. Go Kerosene. I grew up using them. They are a perfect fit for what you ware trying to accomplish and when used PROPERLY they do not make a house smell. Small storage for a high heat output.
Kerosene heaters are no more dangerous than guns in a house with children. Teach the kids to respect tools, not fear them.
Seriously guys. Saying "Don't use a kerosene heater because I know someone who died!" is like saying don't buy a gun or a car because they kill people. Stupid people get killed by lots of things. Don't be stupid, educate yourself and reap the rewards.
1) Anything you do w/o a permit can earn you an insurance non-payment in this f*cking state. I'd CERTAINLY never fail to permit my work when I replace wiring on a one-for-one basis, replace or repair an exterior door or window, replace a gas stove, or fix a leaking sink.Yeah... watch how fast an insurance claim gets denied if something DOES happen with one of those illegal heating units. And he survives to make a claim. Not to mention what the reaction of the condo association will be if a maintenance mammal comes in and happens to see one of those illegal units parked in Tony's condo.
Seriously, folks... recommending someone deliberately break the law?It may or may not be an intelligent law... but you can still get in trouble anyway. If you're planning to make a stand about laws, at least make it about something you want to live or die for. And no one ever went over the top shouting "For the Kero-sun!"![]()
Guy has a gas stove and you all are clamoring about not having space heaters.
Please get a grip on reality and stop acting like a bunch of anti-gun million mom nut bags, because that's exactly what you all sound like. People survived raising families with fires and open flames in there homes for the first 10,000 years of human existence. Calm the **** down with the captain OSHA safety bullshit.
There are people on this board with children who have it on winter nights using a propane Buddy heater. They didn't die and were happy to have the heat.
They also make these fancy new inventions called CO alarms. They run on batteries.
My non-government sanctioned advice is to ignore the law, get a kerosene heater and don't tell anyone. Like a lot of other laws, one must put personal survival above bureaucratic nonsense.
Unvented kerosene space heaters are dangerous and illegal in MA. (Ref 148 MGL 25A)
Propane space heater installations are regulated by 527 CMR 30. (Require permits, permanent gas line, oxygen depletion auto shutoff, CO detectors, etc etc)
The only viable option is to install a transfer switch that would allow your furnace to run from either line or generator.
The trustees may or may not allow usage of generator, so you would need to get an opinion prior to making any commitments.
My advice? Move to a single family house.
Where can you even buy kerosene these days? I haven;t seen it for sale anywhere in a long time. I believe the Mr Heater Buddy can be used indoors.
Where can you even buy kerosene these days? I haven;t seen it for sale anywhere in a long time. I believe the Mr Heater Buddy can be used indoors.
gas heat, warm air, is 120v at 100w max, you're only running the fan & control circuit. A Honda 1000w or 2000w will run that thing all day on a miniscule amount of fuel. the big problem in condos is running wires concealed....the furnace can be setup with a switch to swap the feed to an inlet outside, so you don't have to leave the slider/door open. But you'll probably be introduced to the 'wonders of wiremold'!
Wiremold? Explain.
They make safe ventless propane heaters for indoor use, I used them in a log cabin I built for years. If you follow space to btu ratio, and output you are fine .if you're still worried get a detector. I stand by my post. You should research the products before making blanket statements- nothing personal
People need to realize that there is a difference between comfort and survival. It sounds like the OP is unlikely to be confronted with a survival situation, but simply wants the comfort level. This is the difference between wants and needs.
...Right. You can have your heat set to 58* or even 56* during the winter months and be fine. You'll be miserable and uncomfortable, but you'll make it. Heck, you can probably get down the lower 50* range without worrying about plumbing issues.
Wood boiler (indoor). My thermostats don't come off of 74 all winter.
If you use a HUMIDIFIER you'll be very comfortable at 70 degrees or less. They make a huge difference.
And your skin won't crack, nor will there be static electric sparks.
That's another nice thing about Forced Hot Air. As the ductwork is aleady in place, adding a Built-In Humidifier or Central Air is easy.
This is MA. There must be a regulation to cover that. 527 CMR 20, Use and Maintenance or Temporary Portable Space Heating Devices and Equipment Used in the Construction Industry That might be the one.
I used a propane torpedo one winter before I had the windows in. Very toasty, very noisy, and requires electricity.
I don't live in MA, so it's perfectly legal for me to buy and use a kero heater. My point was that just because Mass says something is illegal doesn't make it dangerous. Kerosene heaters are used all over Japan for primary heat, and I'm not hearing of mass casualties due to CO poisoning or fires. And they are legal in 48 of our 57 states
As far as the OP using it in his condo, he's a big boy and can understand and deal with his state's laws, I'm sure.
I wish I could find a decent, affordable, STEAM wood boiler. Heck, I am almost thinking coal would be good, like in the olden days. I'd just replace my oil tank with a coal bin.
Again, the steam humidifies on its own. It also "circulates" without any blowers or pumps. Heck, I bet I could run a coal boiler to heat my house without any electricity at all.
Might need to go back in time to around 1930 or so.
That there tells you how stupid this nanny state is. Hell, we had towns that wouldn't allow you to pump your own gas for a while too. Marlboro was one of them. Now that was truly stupid.
Mushroom heaters do not need electricity. That's why we use them.
I wish I could find a decent, affordable, STEAM wood boiler. Heck, I am almost thinking coal would be good, like in the olden days. I'd just replace my oil tank with a coal bin.
Again, the steam humidifies on its own. It also "circulates" without any blowers or pumps. Heck, I bet I could run a coal boiler to heat my house without any electricity at all.
Might need to go back in time to around 1930 or so.
No fireplace of any type, and cannot make modifications to the house structure to install one.
Haven't read the last few pages of this thread but I was in Lowes yesterday dick-docking around the propane area and I saw an "indoor safe" propane heater. Worth looking into I'd say.
Here you go:
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