Almost everything with guns are legal here. Realestate AND taxes are low. Land is inexpensive. If you are a deer hunter you are allowed 12 deer a year, 2 bucks and 10 does. If you like trout fishing the river that flows through Atlanta is stocked with trout over 10 pounds. Most of the lakes within 1 hour of Atlanta have striped bass up to 60 pounds. Lots of shooting ranges and lots of hospitals and lots of work too. I am sure I left out a lot of other things, but I live about 1/2 hour northeast of Atlanta, Georgia. ( OH there is hundreds of thousands of public land also.) Most of us are conservatives also.
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LMAO, no offense, All of these things are going to be somewhat incompatible with one another. Good luck with that.
Particularly the weather. Most of america does not have what I would call a real temperate climate. Most of america has a f***ing garbage can for weather at least one portion of
the year. Some places you might be able to game the system with elevation.
There also aren't that many states with con carry.
Also IIRC the ICE zone is 100 miles, not 200. That's just a wee bit important.
AZ, ME, NH, VT, all knocked out because of your ICE armflapping thing. (I'd honestly be more worried about the tenor of local/state LE than that, but that's me, not you). Plus "weather
extremes" .
Kansas has tornadoes and shit, LOL.
Alaska is too cold for you.
ND is too cold for you in the winter and possibly too much armpit in the summer.
MS is too hot/armpit for you
Lol I think you're looking at Wyoming or WV. Neither of these are considered temperate in my book but you might be able to find a location that is viable. Both of them are probably too
cold...
![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
I think you would be better served to identify "which weather sucks the most" and null that out first. It would be easier to divine a selection based on that.
-Mike
I'm planning on getting out of this shithole too, as soon as my daughter heads off to college but thats a few years away. I've been looking into the foothills of the Blue Ridge mountains of northern Georgia and western North-South Carolina.
RTP? I'm sure it will be obvious but right now not so much... I grew up in NJ, "Hot hazy humid" is horrible. 90 degrees at 90% humidity for 15-20 days SUCKS. After 8 years in Arizona, even being able to "escape" to Flagstaff, Sedona, Pinetop, etc, I'm all done with the Southwest. And not to be racist, but I don't speak the language, and the politics are getting more liberal daily. I'm going next weekend for my mother's 80th birthday, I have no doubt I won't miss it when I leave.
In all seriousness, sell me
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I've been thinking about this too and I just don't know if one location will do it. I'm thinking more like NH for 8ish months and a condo maybe in GA for the winter months.
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smokey-seven
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I agree, just stay away from Jackson Hole unless you can afford a 7 figure home. SE Idaho about 45 mins from JH is affordable and meets your requirements. My Son just bought a home there.
I agree, just stay away from Jackson Hole unless you can afford a 7 figure home. SE Idaho about 45 mins from JH is affordable and meets your requirements. My Son just bought a home there.
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Forget all other requirements and move next door to HICKOK45
FrugalFannie
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LMAO, no offense, All of these things are going to be somewhat incompatible with one another. Good luck with that.
Particularly the weather. Most of america does not have what I would call a real temperate climate. Most of america has a f***ing garbage can for weather at least one portion of
the year. Some places you might be able to game the system with elevation.
There also aren't that many states with con carry.
Also IIRC the ICE zone is 100 miles, not 200. That's just a wee bit important.
AZ, ME, NH, VT, all knocked out because of your ICE armflapping thing. (I'd honestly be more worried about the tenor of local/state LE than that, but that's me, not you). Plus "weather
extremes" .
Kansas has tornadoes and shit, LOL.
Alaska is too cold for you.
ND is too cold for you in the winter and possibly too much armpit in the summer.
MS is too hot/armpit for you
Lol I think you're looking at Wyoming or WV. Neither of these are considered temperate in my book but you might be able to find a location that is viable. Both of them are probably too
cold...
I think you would be better served to identify "which weather sucks the most" and null that out first. It would be easier to divine a selection based on that.
-Mike
only parts of AZ are within the "border area" but that desert thing may not be what he calls temperate. but there are 2 other temperature zones in AZ. I vote for AZ Radtek!
FrugalFannie
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pretty sure he meant border patrol. and yeah they go out to 100 miles. pretty ridiculous.they do it up north and down south.
Keep in mind that many states with low cost of living also means lower wages. Ammo prices are largely the same across locations. When I rented in SC, my half of a 2 bedroom 800 sqft apt was $385/month. Spending $500 on ammo was a major expense. I shoot more in MA than I ever did in SC, despite the restrictive laws. Money is king.
Clarifications... "temperate" to me is generally 40's to 70's with occasional forays off either end. I don't mind shoveling, but ONE 6" storm every couple of years is fine. I don't mind heat, but I want heat waves to be 85 for 3-4 days and done. Yeah, know that's asking a bit, but I'm realistic enough to not ask for 68-72 with light breezes year-round. We like the seasons, just not the extremes.
As far as the "ICE Enforcement Zone" crap goes, it's much more about the attitude and concept than the reality. When I was in AZ I'd see it occasionally and I just found it offensive. As I get older my "f*** you" attitude gets worse, it's a very real possibility that I'd end up proned out chewing pavement if I got stuck in a checkpoint.
2a is a serious issue. First, it's not so much the Con-carry thing as it is that it's a longer trip from full freedom to unreasonable restriction than it is from Pre-Healy BS to post, and then whatever comes next. Second, the environment and attitude are just plain easier and more pleasant the less restrictive laws are.
I have many preferences and plenty of time. It makes NO sense to compromise any more than I HAVE to on things I don't WANT to.
As far as the "ICE Enforcement Zone" crap goes, it's much more about the attitude and concept than the reality. When I was in AZ I'd see it occasionally and I just found it offensive. As I get older my "f*** you" attitude gets worse, it's a very real possibility that I'd end up proned out chewing pavement if I got stuck in a checkpoint.
2a is a serious issue. First, it's not so much the Con-carry thing as it is that it's a longer trip from full freedom to unreasonable restriction than it is from Pre-Healy BS to post, and then whatever comes next. Second, the environment and attitude are just plain easier and more pleasant the less restrictive laws are.
I have many preferences and plenty of time. It makes NO sense to compromise any more than I HAVE to on things I don't WANT to.
I hate recommending it, but western NC hits everything but Constitutional carry. Permit process is painless if you stay out of Buncombe County. I did some work for a neurosurgeon out toward Waynesville who runs a program at one of the hospitals in that area. Very, very 2A friendly guy. I could track down and pm you particulars if you want to try and reach out.
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I think your temperature parameters are going to be your biggest hurdle. To get those ranges during the summer, you're going to have much colder in the winter. To get more mild in the winter, you're going to be much higher in the summer.
Personally, unless NH becomes a liberal shithole in the next few years, I plan to head deeper into the state (go north young[ish] man). I'm also hoping to get a place at a decent elevation to help mitigate the summer temperatures (keep them lower). I'll deal with the flip side in the winter (with the right gear, and setup, it's not really an issue). Of course, in my field you can often work from home/remote when the weather is poor. Not really an option for someone that has to interact with people as a major part of their job. My only real concern will be the availability of decent speed internet where I want to go. Hopefully, by the time I'm ready, the infrastructure will be updated in those areas (if not already done or in progress). Almost everything else is flexible.
BTW, some years back (2013 IIRC) I almost took a job in Alaska (was living in Nashua at the time). But the cost of materials there (about 40 miles north of the arctic circle, roads ended 7 miles outside of town) was crazy high. We're talking about basic food items we easily get here were 3-4x the cost, if not more. Mostly due to how everything, yes EVERYTHING, had to come in either via ship or plane. While I would like to get up there at some point, if the situation is valid, I'm not about to spend that much of my income on things. Especially since the salary wasn't enough to also allow me to save money (after factoring in rent, utilities, etc.). Oh, and internet speeds were HORRIBLE there.![[rofl2]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/035.gif "ROFL2 [rofl2]")
Personally, unless NH becomes a liberal shithole in the next few years, I plan to head deeper into the state (go north young[ish] man). I'm also hoping to get a place at a decent elevation to help mitigate the summer temperatures (keep them lower). I'll deal with the flip side in the winter (with the right gear, and setup, it's not really an issue). Of course, in my field you can often work from home/remote when the weather is poor. Not really an option for someone that has to interact with people as a major part of their job. My only real concern will be the availability of decent speed internet where I want to go. Hopefully, by the time I'm ready, the infrastructure will be updated in those areas (if not already done or in progress). Almost everything else is flexible.
BTW, some years back (2013 IIRC) I almost took a job in Alaska (was living in Nashua at the time). But the cost of materials there (about 40 miles north of the arctic circle, roads ended 7 miles outside of town) was crazy high. We're talking about basic food items we easily get here were 3-4x the cost, if not more. Mostly due to how everything, yes EVERYTHING, had to come in either via ship or plane. While I would like to get up there at some point, if the situation is valid, I'm not about to spend that much of my income on things. Especially since the salary wasn't enough to also allow me to save money (after factoring in rent, utilities, etc.). Oh, and internet speeds were HORRIBLE there.
I'll second MO. I retired from the Navy out of Connecticut, having lived there the longest out of all my duty stations. Born and raised Texan, retired and went back to Texas, but so much had changed. Came out to MO to work an account for my company and liked it so much I asked to stay. Dirt cheap cost of living. It's everything you described, depending on where you want to live within the state as far as terrain, we got it all. My only caution is to your sensitivity to weather. We have days in the negative cold temps, but it doesn't last long and most snow can be taken care of with a leaf blower. Summers get hot and there are a few days that creep up past 100, but like the extreme cold, that doesn't last long either. I'd say a decent home on 5+ acres that you can shoot on, located in scenic Ozark country and a hospital within a 30-45 min easy and scenic commute would run you under 200K pretty easy, of course price goes up and down drastically with land and house quality but that's a good ballpark for a blue collar set-up.
RTP is South East, in NC.RTP? I'm sure it will be obvious but right now not so much... I grew up in NJ, "Hot hazy humid" is horrible. 90 degrees at 90% humidity for 15-20 days SUCKS. After 8 years in Arizona, even being able to "escape" to Flagstaff, Sedona, Pinetop, etc, I'm all done with the Southwest. And not to be racist, but I don't speak the language, and the politics are getting more liberal daily. I'm going next weekend for my mother's 80th birthday, I have no doubt I won't miss it when I leave.
In all seriousness, sell me
Your weather requirements are impossible. Northeast coast is cold during the winter. Southeast coast has hurricanes. Center of country has intensely cold winters and hot summers plus the occasional tornado. West coast has droughts and fires. Pick your poison.
All depends on what you're used to I guess. I love the summer, walking outside and it feeling like you just opened up the oven. I'm not sensitive to weather really. I can take sub zero or 100+ just fine, but prefer it hot.
The OP could move to Buenos Aires, it meets his weather requirements. Not sure about the 2A requirements....But it is very flat, no mountains.
Or...a cave deep enough to stay at a constant temperature all year.
Northern AZ, UT or ID depending on the climate you desire most. I love arid climates, mountains and open spaces and hate humidity so I'm biased. St George, UT and Boise, ID are two of the fastest growing areas right now. I don't know if that's good or bad.
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You have your list of requirements, the math should not be too hard to figure out.
Personally, if I had to leave NH for some reason, I would probably take a good long look at the hills in eastern TN.
Personally, if I had to leave NH for some reason, I would probably take a good long look at the hills in eastern TN.
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I liked Buenos Aires. We were there in winter, the climate seems great. No idea on gun laws, though.
