Hodgdon posted this on their Facebook page earlier
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"It's alive and well..." So is it being discontinued or not??
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Hodgdon posted this on their Facebook page earlier
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"It's alive and well..." So is it being discontinued or not??
Insults from the moderator...what's the world coming to ;-)
What is *special* about Win231 is that I know it and like it...and that has value to me.
A few more dollars per/lb is not going to cause me to miss any meals.
Again, others may feel differently...and that's perfectly fine.
Less choice is always bad...continue to sell it for more $$$ and let the market decide.
Agreed. N320 costs me $25-$30 a pound. I can get ~1,750 rounds out of 1 pound. Using 4 gr costs me just 1.7 cents per round. What other component of reloading will cost you less than that?? You probably spend more money on electricity for lighting in your reloading room or to run your tumbler .
Same would apply with 231/HP-38. I think if the powder cost per round begins to cost more than the primers, then that might be an issue. Just my $0.02.
I use 3.8 grains of HP38 under a 147 grain bullet. At Shooter's price of $160 for 8# that is 1842 rounds per pound at 1.09 cents per round.
Going up to N320 would be a 57% price increase for powder. Admittedly bullets are by far the most expensive component so that $0.61 per thousand is negligible in the grand scheme of things.
So, who do we believe?
Both sources are from the Internet and yet they can't both be true...
So, who do we believe?
Both sources are from the Internet and yet they can't both be true...
Well Hodgdon says nothing about Winchester 231..... my speculation is Hodgdon will drop "Winchester" all together vs paying licensing fees for the name.
That's probably what's going to happen. They "kill off" W231 and continue to make HP-38
That's probably what's going to happen. They "kill off" W231 and continue to make HP-38
That's probably what's going to happen. They "kill off" W231 and continue to make HP-38
I just checked the Hodgdon website and saw that there are only 3 Winchester pistol powders listed: 231 (a.k.a. HP-38), Autocomp (a.k.a. HS-6) and 296 (a.k.a. H110).
Why do they bother?
I've wondered for a long time why they bothered making the same powder with 2 different brand names and designations. Makes no sense to me. Its not like chevy/pontiac/buick that put out models with the same chassis/drivetrain/etc. Those all have distinctions that make them quite different from one another.
I suspect is has to do with acquisitions over the years, and the desire to keep the good will and brand loyality of the acquired brands.
I mourned the loss of WW540 for a couple of years and then found out HS6 was the same thing (good for 38 super); now my favorite powder is Titegroup (goor for 40 short & wimpy).
I have had great luck with Titegroup in .40; it was cheaper than 231 and you use less. This powder did not work well in my 9mm SIG P 226 Stainless using minor loads. The case mouths were getting dinged so bad on extraction /ejection that they couldn't be reloaded. The only cause I can come up with is that the faster Titegroup was causing the gun to unlock prematurely causing extraction problems.
This problem gave me fits and my attempted solutions (changes in bullet weight and powder charges, brass, recoil springs and barrels) all ended in failure. I gave up and went back to 231; problem solved. I am going to miss this powder.
Head shots, so probably 4-6" groups using an Ibeji 147 grain coated bullet.
4-6" groups from 8" barrel with 9mm...... what bullet are you using. That's some nice shooting.
You could clean the targets at the 200 yard fun match with shooting like that.