Yet another LEOSA reform act submitted.

[Len-2A Training]

I see LEOSA as a stepping stone to National Reciprocity. Which is a stepping stone to national constitutional carry.

I don't see it as a stepping stone to anywhere. And who amongst us really wants to have to qualify annually to carry anywhere? Unless the USSC rules that the 2A means what it says and that no gov't entity can prohibit any non-felon from carrying anywhere, national con-carry is DOA! And I don't see the USSC being interested in doing that anytime in the next 50 yrs!

 

[VetteGirlMA]

Fine, let's go the other way then, will you be happier when no one can carry? This is at least saying 'more' people should be carrying.

Citizens first, cops second should be the way our government functions.

 

[weekendracer]

Citizens first, cops second should be the way our government functions.

That's the thing, IIIIIIIII don't disagree with you. But to push out your bottom lip, stamp your feet, and cross your arms isn't going to do anything when a LOT of people don't agree with you.

Again, two ways to look at this:

Off duty cops get to carry more places. Dogs and cats don't start living together. Eventually, more people become desensitized to firearms, stop being scared.

Off duty cops don't get to carry more places. We have the FAFO page keep getting longer, people become more skaird, vote for more restrictions.

If you see a third option, please inform me.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

If you see a third option, please inform me.

Laws are changed so off duty and retired police do not have more, or few, gun rights that commoners. My understanding is that this is basically how it is in Canada, eh?.

The likely consequence:

- Police organizations stop supporting further restricting on carry rights, expansion of "prohibited places", etc.
- Police organizations support laws that reduce restrictions on commoners, since their members are also commoners.

I do not subscribe to the position of "Give me my rights first, then rights for others willl follow". You do. Not a criticism of you, just observing we have a good faith difference of opinion on the matter.

 

[weekendracer]

Laws are changed to off duty and retired police do not have more, or few, gun rights that commoners. My understanding is that this is basically how it is in Canada, eh?.

The likely consequence:

- Police organizations stop supporting further restricting on carry rights, expansion of "prohibited places", etc.
- Police organizations support laws that reduce restrictions on commoners, since their members are also commoners.

I do not subscribe to the position of "Give me my rights first, then rights for others willl follow". You do. Not a criticism of you, just observing we have a good faith difference of opinion on the matter.

I completely get what you're saying. But considering the status quo isn't great, I'll take movement in the right direction. I mean, as I've stated, LEOSA isn't some golden rainbow either. Most places down South if you have retired creds, that was good enough most of the time, some places LEOSA is just asking to get jammed up.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

That's the thing, IIIIIIIII don't disagree with you. But to push out your bottom lip, stamp your feet, and cross your arms isn't going to do anything when a LOT of people don't agree with you.

Again, two ways to look at this:

Off duty cops get to carry more places. Dogs and cats don't start living together. Eventually, more people become desensitized to firearms, stop being scared.

Off duty cops don't get to carry more places. We have the FAFO page keep getting longer, people become more skaird, vote for more restrictions.

If you see a third option, please inform me.

F that. My rights matter more than cops. The citizens had LEOSA shoved down their throats because they were told "oh we'll take of people next" and we all know how that ended. If our political leader don't look out for the people then they represent nothing.

 

[knucklehead]

I love that in Massachusetts I'm not considered LEO but can get LEOSA coverage after retirement.

 

[weekendracer]

F that. My rights matter more than cops. The citizens had LEOSA shoved down their throats because they were told "oh we'll take of people next" and we all know how that ended. If our political leader don't look out for the people then they represent nothing.

Again, fine. The majority of the voters DON'T agree with you across much of the country.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

Again, fine. The majority of the voters DON'T agree with you across much of the country.

Doesn’t mean it’s not worth fighting for, and I’m frankly fed up with all the law enforcement special treatment.