Asaltweapon
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Active Shooter Situation in Lewiston Maine
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Nick Fury
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My statement was to illustrate general character not the service provided. Sorry you missed that. I should have been more clear.
eboos
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He was by a dumpster, maybe it was the garbage men.
They interviewed some ex-manager last night who said he was inside one of the empty trailers.
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Card showed numerous alarming signs of being a potential mass shooter, yet these indicators were dismissed by everyone except for his immediate family and the National Guard.
abcnews.go.com
Alleged Maine gunman displayed glaring mental health signals, threatening and violent behavior, in months leading up to shooting
As far back as January, Card’s mental health had started to decline, his family said. By May it was getting even worse, and they were concerned for his well-being.
abcnews.go.com
Card showed numerous alarming signs of being a potential mass shooter, yet these indicators were dismissed by everyone except for his immediate family and the National Guard.
Alleged Maine gunman displayed glaring mental health signals, threatening and violent behavior, in months leading up to shooting
As far back as January, Card’s mental health had started to decline, his family said. By May it was getting even worse, and they were concerned for his well-being.
Seems so.
Which is not going to be great for those of us into small government, individual accountability, and things like that.
The Reserves literally told the Sheriff that they expected the guy to commit a mass shooting and the Sheriff's office left the guys guns with his family - without even verifying they even had the guns locked up (like that would do much, but still) - and called it a day. Nice.
Nick Fury
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Yeah in light of these new developments I now recant any conspiratorial theories I might have supported in the past. Give a short circuiting brain more sounds to process and his psychosis ran with it:
Check out the Series “Brain Games” on Netflix it is crazy what even a normal functioning brain makes up to justify what it is processing.
Check out the Series “Brain Games” on Netflix it is crazy what even a normal functioning brain makes up to justify what it is processing.
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There are lists of traits in common among mass shooters, but those that check most of the boxes on those lists number in the 10s-of-thousands. Way more than the number of mass shooters. A few of those check-boxes are a bit more important though - verbally threatening to "kill everyone here", being one of those check-boxes.Card showed numerous alarming signs of being a potential mass shooter, yet these indicators were dismissed by everyone except for his immediate family and the National Guard.
Alleged Maine gunman displayed glaring mental health signals, threatening and violent behavior, in months leading up to shooting
As far back as January, Card’s mental health had started to decline, his family said. By May it was getting even worse, and they were concerned for his well-being.
Yeah - we can't make every local PD, school district, psychiatrist/psychologist, councilor, etc., use he same standards by which to judge whether to Red Flag/ERPO someone. That standard would be excessively conservative to avoid making a mistake, sweeping in 100s of thousands.
Tragic as the Lewiston shooting and others are, and as cold as it seems to say, the ~600 killed in 2023 mass shootings (based on the widest definition) is paltry compared to the 21,156 homicides in 2022 at <3%. Why would we add/change laws with the intent to address the tip of the iceberg? Because addressing the vast bulk of homicides is not economically/politically feasible in our system of government. Not cause enough for me.
HARRYM
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When governments began closing mental health centers across the country in the eighties they said no worries, therapy and drugs will handle it. So most therapists are in need of therapy themselves, and drugs made things worse, so the public is left to deal with the Card's of the world.
He's going on the presumption that they wanted to do something about it.
Which may be false.
Oh goodness another mass shooting , quick trot out all the usual anti talking heads and get them in front of a camera, quick!
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From The Violence Project Mass Shooting Data & Research | The Violence Project
”Our hearts are again broken for the victims, survivors, families, and loved ones of the victims of the recent mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine.
From what we know, this perpetrator followed a similar pathway that we’ve identified - a noticeable crisis point, leaking their plans and making threats, easy access to guns. Military services is over-represented among mass shooters (25% have a military background as opposed to 7% of the general population). In the past decade, nearly 60% of perpetrators with a military background were discharged for behavioral of mental health reasons - opening the door for prevention.”
Easy Access to Guns? The Lewiston incident is a classic example of failed systems and authorities dropping the ball. Military & Law Enforcement were both alerted to the parents’ concerns and he was denied a suppressor due to a NICS rejection.
The only new law we need is one holding those responsible for administering the existing laws accountable when they fail in their duties. But then they’d just overzealously deny and seize guns.
”Our hearts are again broken for the victims, survivors, families, and loved ones of the victims of the recent mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine.
From what we know, this perpetrator followed a similar pathway that we’ve identified - a noticeable crisis point, leaking their plans and making threats, easy access to guns. Military services is over-represented among mass shooters (25% have a military background as opposed to 7% of the general population). In the past decade, nearly 60% of perpetrators with a military background were discharged for behavioral of mental health reasons - opening the door for prevention.”
Easy Access to Guns? The Lewiston incident is a classic example of failed systems and authorities dropping the ball. Military & Law Enforcement were both alerted to the parents’ concerns and he was denied a suppressor due to a NICS rejection.
The only new law we need is one holding those responsible for administering the existing laws accountable when they fail in their duties. But then they’d just overzealously deny and seize guns.
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Did we ever learn which gun(s) he was using?
He passed the check, but he self reported on the 4473 that he was committed so the shop denied the transfer.
Agree otherwise though, numerous flashing red flags that were ignored.
Asaltweapon
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I saw a Ruger in 308 mentioned.
It seems to be an AR15 Ruger in 308, or something. They are probably still researching it as it isn't an easy question to answer.
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I think he would have passed had he not self reported.
It seems like his Army hospitalization was actually voluntary.
They would have never known if he lied.
That seems to be what I’ve read too. It either wasn’t involuntary or was and wasn’t reported.
It was an Army hospital, as well.
Just like the Air Force guy with the AR who killed a bunch of people at a church and was himself shot and killed with an AR from a citizen. He was in the military justice system.
Military does not report.
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Biden inbound ….
1st, you know he couldn’t care less about people in ME getting shot.
His handlers only fly him to where they see opportunity. In this case, to push for disarming law abiding citizens to scratch their lust for tyrannical power.
How completely screwed up is that.
President Biden and First Lady set to visit Maine to mourn with the community after mass shooting
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www.boston25news.com
1st, you know he couldn’t care less about people in ME getting shot.
His handlers only fly him to where they see opportunity. In this case, to push for disarming law abiding citizens to scratch their lust for tyrannical power.
How completely screwed up is that.
President Biden and First Lady set to visit Maine to mourn with the community after mass shooting
President Biden and First Lady set to visit Maine to mourn with community after mass shooting
President Joe Biden and the First Lady are expected to travel to Lewiston, Maine this week following the tragic shootings that left 18 people dead several others injured.
www.boston25news.com
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Well, it doesn’t seem to have been ordered by a judge or military tribunal, but my guess it was the “check in or face dishonorable discharge” type of voluntary.
No men
No mention of the Christmas Parade Child Massacre done by a Black man, though.
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And pedo Joe is setting up a commission to study mass shootingsBiden inbound ….
1st, you know he couldn’t care less about people in ME getting shot.
His handlers only fly him to where they see opportunity. In this case, to push for disarming law abiding citizens to scratch their lust for tyrannical power.
How completely screwed up is that.
President Biden and First Lady set to visit Maine to mourn with the community after mass shooting
President Biden and First Lady set to visit Maine to mourn with community after mass shooting
President Joe Biden and the First Lady are expected to travel to Lewiston, Maine this week following the tragic shootings that left 18 people dead several others injured.
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And the “recommendations” will surely be to disarm AmericansAnd pedo Joe is setting up a commission to study mass shootings
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So basically the only person who did anything was the FFL?
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