Alternative to the Glock 19?

[jkeeley1]

So my current "Dangerous situation" gun is a G19 (my EDC is a smaller pocket pistol). But as much as I want to like it, it just doesnt feel right in my hand (and as a result I end up pulling my shots). I have come to the conclusion that it is not the gun and it is not me (I shoot my Beretta 92 dead on), it is just not the gun for me. So I am looking for recomendations for a mid sized 9mm auto. My criterea is nothing S&W, DAO or DA/SA doesnt matter, preferably not a nickle or two tone, don't care about weight since it's not EDC (I shoot the heavier 92 better, so perhaps added weight will help), something that is a popular "issue" gun is preferable since it would be easy to find holsters and such.

lastly I want something thats an even trade or would require $ on the other person's part. It has only about 200rds through it, it's 3rd gen made on january 2010, has decal grips installed (but can be removed without a trace) and comes with 5 10rd magazines (2 new w/ the gun 3 older ones) and a crossbreed supertuck holster. so I figure about $900 is the value of the package (considering how much I paid for the gun, mags, grips and holster $900 would be a loss for me, but gun trading isnt a money making business).

so anyone have recomendations of things to check out?

 

[Flyer007]

H&K USP would be my vote. I love my P2000sk but that is my edc. MY current FS pistol is a M&P .40 but that doesn't meet your criteria.

 

[Kid Presentable]

if you can find one the sig p250 would be a nice choice nice feel, great trigger

 

[economist]

A Sig 239 is almost the exact same size as the G19 and is a very accurate gun, though you lose a lot in capacity. It would likely be of less value in Mass than a very clean Glock.

 

[drgrant]

Doesn't exist. There is no (direct) alternative for a Glock 19. As close is you're going to get is the Springfield XD/XDM thats sold in that size factor. What you're really asking is "is there a bigger or smaller gun that I -might- be happy with".

If it's not an EDC gun why not just carry the Beretta?

Other option is an M+P 9 compact..... its a bit smaller than a G19 (except in fatness) and might have better ergonomics for you; you can also get the triggers to clean up pretty well... find a model without the magazine safety or have it removed when you get the trigger done.

-Mike

 

[jkeeley1]

A Sig 239 is almost the exact same size as the G19 and is a very accurate gun, though you lose a lot in capacity. It would likely be of less value in Mass than a very clean Glock.

I had a P239 in .357 and it felt a bit small to me, I am looking for something either the same size or a bit larger than the G19, something in the neighborhood of the 229.

 

[drgrant]

A Sig 239 is almost the exact same size as the G19 and is a very accurate gun, though you lose a lot in capacity. It would likely be of less value in Mass than a very clean Glock.

The P239/9mm is a good choice.... you can often find them on the cheap used (well under $600) as well. The one I had was insanely reliable.

-Mike

 

[drgrant]

I had a P239 in .357 and it felt a bit small to me, I am looking for something either the same size or a bit larger than the G19, something in the neighborhood of the 229.

Another option is finding a P228 in 9mm. It's a little lighter than the 229/9mm, and generally feels well balanced. They tend to fetch a premium in MA, though... although you can import the pre98 ones no problem.

-Mike

 

[jkeeley1]

If it's not an EDC gun why not just carry the Beretta?

own fewer guns? Sacrilege!

you did hit it pretty spot on, i'm not necessarily looking for something similiar to the G19 as much as I am looking for something about that size to fill the gap between my Beretta and my Kel-tec. Just wanted to see what people's feelings are on whats out there. when all is said and done I wouldnt be surprised if I ended up w/ a Sig 229

 

[economist]

I had a P239 in .357 and it felt a bit small to me, I am looking for something either the same size or a bit larger than the G19, something in the neighborhood of the 229.

Did you try a set of Hogue rubber grips? They change the feel of a 239 substantially.

 

[piman]

I was going to suggest the 229. Just got mine in 9mm and loving it. Got a Hogue rubber grips pair on and it feels so right! In a free state isn't there a compact version of the Beretta 92?

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[jkeeley1]

I was going to suggest the 229. Just got mine in 9mm and loving it. Got a Hogue rubber grips pair on and it feels so right! In a free state isn't there a compact version of the Beretta 92?

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I believe there is, I just have this weird quirk when it comes to my guns that I only like guns that are current or have been standard issue LE/Military arms, I think it makes me feel more comfortable knowing that they've been prooven and have parts readily available. I can never seem to convince myself to feel comfortable with "variations" of issued weapons however. like I said, weird personality quirk I guess.

 

[TheRoland]

I know this totally violates your criteria, so, sorry, but the Government-sized 1911 is the very definition of the "extra power" carry gun. It's dimensionally larger and heavier than the Glock 19, but still surprisingly easy to carry, and you can't beat .45 ACP, the sight radius, and the trigger. There are 1911s in Glock 19 form-factors, but you're in .45, so still outside your criteria.

I'm carrying a P229 right now, and it's nice, too. I recommend it, but I'd trade it for a good Officer's sized or CCO 1911.

 

[jkeeley1]

I know this totally violates your criteria, so, sorry, but the Government-sized 1911 is the very definition of the "extra power" carry gun. It's dimensionally larger and heavier than the Glock 19, but still surprisingly easy to carry, and you can't beat .45 ACP, the sight radius, and the trigger. There are 1911s in Glock 19 form-factors, but you're in .45, so still outside your criteria.

I'm carrying a P229 right now, and it's nice, too. I recommend it, but I'd trade it for a good Officer's sized or CCO 1911.

there is always 9mm 1911's.... as long as the purists don't see... but then again.... not an issued weapon and my gun OCD kicks in

 

[TheRoland]

there is always 9mm 1911's.... as long as the purists don't see... but then again.... not an issued weapon and my gun OCD kicks in

I think any 1911 variation, so long as it's single stack and single-action, counts as issued .

 

[RickG]

Walther P-99 is worth a look.

 

[Dmn0166]

Have you looked into a Sig 2022?

 

[Jose]

The standard size M&P9 is within 1/4" of the G19 in all dimensions. It is an extremely easy pistol to conceal and its ergonomics beat Glock every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[Jose]

I just have this weird quirk when it comes to my guns that I only like guns that are current or have been standard issue LE/Military arms, I think it makes me feel more comfortable knowing that they've been prooven and have parts readily available. I can never seem to convince myself to feel comfortable with "variations" of issued weapons however. like I said, weird personality quirk I guess.

You have issues.

 

[drgrant]

I believe there is, I just have this weird quirk when it comes to my guns that I only like guns that are current or have been standard issue LE/Military arms, I think it makes me feel more comfortable knowing that they've been prooven and have parts readily available. I can never seem to convince myself to feel comfortable with "variations" of issued weapons however. like I said, weird personality quirk I guess.

So if some PD issued some form of the Beretta 9mm compact you would feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

-Mike

 

[jkeeley1]

didn't say it was a logical OCD thing, I think it comes from guns i've purchased in the past that I havent been able to find holsters for or find replacement parts for. I guess it doesn't necessarily have to be "issue", just popular enough to have parts and holsters readily available.

 

[TheRoland]

didn't say it was a logical OCD thing, I think it comes from guns i've purchased in the past that I havent been able to find holsters for or find replacement parts for. I guess it doesn't necessarily have to be "issue", just popular enough to have parts and holsters readily available.

The 1911 in all variants will have literally boatloads of holsters and replacement parts. M&P pistols have tons of holsters and more limited replacement parts. If it were me, I'd try an M&P or M&PCompact if married to 9mm, and the beloved 1911 if not.

The Sigs (except the odd ones) also have tons of holsters and a good ability to find replacement parts, but I'm less enamored with them as I once was, after carrying a 229 under small polo shirts in 100 degree heat all week. What a concealment nightmare. Too thick.

EDIT: Obviously, I've totally disregarded your criteria yet again. Sorry!

 

[jkeeley1]

The 1911 in all variants will have literally boatloads of holsters and replacement parts. M&P pistols have tons of holsters and more limited replacement parts. If it were me, I'd try an M&P or M&PCompact if married to 9mm, and the beloved 1911 if not.

The Sigs (except the odd ones) also have tons of holsters and a good ability to find replacement parts, but I'm less enamored with them as I once was, after carrying a 229 under small polo shirts all week. What a concealment nightmare.

Thanks.
At this point I'm going to check out the P229, USP9, M&P9 and if I can find one a 9mm 1911.

 

[LAWMAN3]

So my current "Dangerous situation" gun is a G19

You say the G19 is your dangerous situation gun....G19 is a 9mm - are you hell bent on staying with that caliber? You can get much better stopping power in this dangerous situation from a larger caliber. My dangerous situation gun is a Sig P220, .45ACP. For your said intentions, I'd recommend going with a larger caliber with more stopping power, such as .45ACP, but that's just my 2 cents. If it's the magazine capacity you're worried about, don't worry...You won't need as many rounds if you're using a .45 as opposed to a 9mm .

To place it into context - police officers are faced with dangerous situations all of the time. That being said, a majority of police departments issue firearms chambered in either .40S&W or .45ACP, which provide better stopping power. 9mm was phased out years ago for a reason.

So here's my recommendation:
If you still want to use a 9mm, go with a Sig P229.
If you are willing to step it up to .45, go with a Sig P220.

BUT most importantly, always choose are firearm that feels good in your hand. Like you mentioned, you aren't comfortable with your gun because it doesn't feel right. The more comfortable you are with a gun, the more confident you will be. And in a life or death situation, there's no time for a lack of confidence.

 

[GSG]

I believe there is, I just have this weird quirk when it comes to my guns that I only like guns that are current or have been standard issue LE/Military arms

The majority of full or mid sized pistols on the market have been used or are being used by LE agencies in the US. Some are used more than others.

you do realize that most of the weapons chosen are based on budget constraints with the final signature coming from a desk jockey viaing for a political appointment, no? and it's not just .mil / .le weapons...it's every piece of equipment purchased.

This too.

you can't beat .45 ACP

Oh yes you can. .357 SIG

To place it into context - police officers are faced with dangerous situations all of the time. That being said, a majority of police departments issue firearms chambered in either .40S&W or .45ACP, which provide better stopping power. 9mm was phased out years ago for a reason.

Off the top of my head I can think of over 100,000 police officers in the US carrying handguns chambered in 9mm. NYPD issues the 9mm to almost all of their LEO's, and there are few if any failures to stop found in their annual OIS reports. A .45 will make it through a windshield intact better than a 9mm, but against people there's little difference reported in performance, especially in LE shootings.

 

[wolf223]

hence, i sticks to the glock fotay....


j/k... between the glock 23 and the PPS 9mm, i'm good. the throw away piece is a jennings .25 in the ankle holster

disclaimer to LE: only ONE third of this post is true.... i'm a lawful, and law abiding citizen. mmmkay?

 

[Jose]

You say the G19 is your dangerous situation gun....G19 is a 9mm - are you hell bent on staying with that caliber? You can get much better stopping power in this dangerous situation from a larger caliber. My dangerous situation gun is a Sig P220, .45ACP. For your said intentions, I'd recommend going with a larger caliber with more stopping power, such as .45ACP, but that's just my 2 cents. If it's the magazine capacity you're worried about, don't worry...You won't need as many rounds if you're using a .45 as opposed to a 9mm .

To place it into context - police officers are faced with dangerous situations all of the time. That being said, a majority of police departments issue firearms chambered in either .40S&W or .45ACP, which provide better stopping power. 9mm was phased out years ago for a reason.

 

[jkeeley1]

I know you have to plan for all of the contingencies and such, but for the absolute most dangerous situation I would ever LIKELY find myself in (most likely being caught in a convenience store mid-robbery), the 9mm would serve me just fine. I don't drive a super expensive car, I don't carry a ton of cash, I wear no-name cloths and I keep my butt out of anything the nearly resembles a city so my most "dangerous" situation is usually a 2am trip to wal-mart for emergency diapers (yes I understand it's for the situations you can't plan for, but for me I am comfortable w/ 9mm. I'm not LE and I don't pretend or fantasize that I am. I've had 357, 40 and 45 in the past, and I am comfortable w/ my current choice of 9mm.)

With that being said, anyone have any additional suggestions to add to the list of guns I should check out? if not, Mods feel free to lock the thread since it's getting a little flamey in here.

 

[Mass-diver]

You could hold your breath and see if S&W is ever going to come out with mid-sized M&P (plenty of rumors that they will on the net).

 

[abomb60]

Save your money and get an hour or two on the range with a trainer like Jim Conway. Then you can keep the glock.