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Jose
I seriously doubt it. The full size does the job just fine.
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Alternative to the Glock 19?
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Mass-diver
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It's too big (IMHO ) for CC, just like the G17
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Jose
Funny, I can conceal one just fine even in NPEs
Get it fixed by a competent gunsmith or drop in APEX parts. IF you could buy a glock new in MA it would suck too.
Mass-diver
NES Member
Pics? Just kidding.
I know tons of guys that can someone conceal thesemonster pistols (heck my dad used to carry a G21), but for me a G19 just hides a bit better than a G17.
I happen to have a M&P full size,G19,239 and KimberCDP ultraII.I have carried them all and currently carry the Kimber for obvious reasons.I find the 239 easier to conceal than the G19 but like the capacity of the 19,I do shoot the 19 better than the 239. The M&P I found to be a bit bulky and hard to carry in the summer since it prints too much on me. I find the Kimber an very easy gun to conceal year round and is easy to shoot as well.I do have a spare mag for it though I hope 8 rounds of .45 would be enough. just thought I would chime in
yanici
NES Member
some people carry a gun just to feel good about carrying a "gun." other people carry a functional, reliable, firearm they can hit shit with. evidently.
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Hey I like that, Timber. Here are the same words but in a different order. "I carry a functionable, reliable firearm that I can hit shit with and it makes me feel good, too."
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Jose
Belt, holster, and shirt choices are all important. Notice on the bottom pic where the holster is and how tightly it pushes the gun's grip against my side. That, and a slightly oversized, square-cut shirt are keys to carrying a service pistol without being made.
In fact, the FIST #20 holster is the only one I've ever worn that pushed the grip in so tightly. Something about its design that does it.
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What is the comfort level like on that? how is it while sitting/driving?
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Jose
I took that picture this morning just before leaving for an IDPA match. I drove 1.5 hours each way, shot a classifier, and ran a bunch of errands after the match. Basically I just took off that rig for the first time since 7:30 this morning. No problems.
For an even more comfortable holster, I go for my Tucker Gunleather Secret. It's like wearing no gun at all.
Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that they don't have a mid size gun. If you haven't carried a G19/23/32 then you probably won't understand. It's more of a comfort thing than whether or not you can conceal it.... even full sized 1911s, Berettas, HKs and such can be concealed if the user tries hard enough. Back when I owned my HK MK23 I'm sure there was a way I could probably have concealed that gun... it still would be annoying to carry it, though. Everybody is different, though.
-Mike
I agree that comfort should not be the first consideration, but at the risk of revealing myself as somewhat less than a CCW master, I'd submit that there's more than comfort to deal with. The size of the firearm can directly translate to probability of being made, and being made can be a very bad thing. I do not enjoy concealing a mid-sized Sig when it's hot out, and I have to bend, sit, reach, and such in close quarters with other people.
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Jose
There's a 1/4" or less difference in all dimensions between a Glock 19 and a S&W M&P9. I seriously doubt they feel that much different.
Dench
NES Member
I dont understand the M&P pistol. To me, its such a colossal piece of shit its almost funny. I was showing one to a customer today, who wanted to see how it breaks down. I got the friggen take down lever stuck between the slide and the frame right in front of the customer, which is interesting becuase i was specifically trying to avoid that.
The only good part about it is its made in MA. other then that Glock or Sig all day in my eyes.
I know there are M&P fans boys here, but I dont even want to hear there arguments. I've shot them, handle them several times a week and still despise them.
strangenh
NES Member
Yeah, that. The Beretta PX4 is probably a good series of pistols to look at - they come in full, compact and sub-compact sizes and have replaceable backstraps to improve fit. It's basically a proven design (8000-series Cougar) done up in a polymer frame. Given the G19 is size-wise what he's after but the feel isn't right, then perhaps the PX4 can be adjusted to work.
That said, as others mentioned, taking a class that covers proper trigger press in the face of the odd Glock trigger may change everything.
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Jose
Why are you using the sear release in there? That was put there by S&W to keep stupid cops from shooting themselves when taking the gun apart.
Normal people turn the takedown lever, release the slide and ride it into battery, then pull the trigger JUST LIKE A GLOCK.
Mass-diver
NES Member
I'm starting to think about this, I am a good shot w/ everything except my Glock, from what I've read my problem (consistent low and left) can be a problem w/ people who convert to glocks and can be solved w/ less trigger finger (contrary to the shot wheel)
In terms of gun sizes a 1/4" might as well be a half a mile. Every little bit counts. If it didn't, companies like Kahr would be out of business.
I see what you're getting at though. If you like the full sized guns, then go for it. I've carried and concealed guns of varying sizes, from a Seecamp .32 all the way up to a Colt Delta Elite, as well as a Sig P226. I always end up gravitating back towards the mid sized guns because they offer the best trade off of size vs capacity vs shoot-ability.
-Mike
I hear what you're saying, and to a point I can agree.... all depends on what your definition of uncomfortable is... and a lot of that can be mitigated by holster/belt/etc. . the full size pistols are often easier to control, point better, and just plain shoot and run better.
I just find midsize guns to be an acceptable compromise between different aspects. Something like a G19 is still small enough to conceal easily but still points and shoots well, and still has a big enough grip to get a good hold on it, and it still holds 16 rounds of ammo.
-Mike
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Jose
I f-ing hate that place.
I know from prior posts on the subject that Jose finds holsters with a smooth backing much more comfortable to wear, and ones with a rough backing quite literally rub him the wrong way. I'm the opposite, and find that a holster with a rough backing is much more comfortable for all day wear, while one with a smooth backing (like the one pictured) is fine on me for a few hours, but after that I really notice it.
Agreed.
The M&P has never really interested me, but I was even less interested when I read the thread where Underwhere had it all apart looking at the insides.
Here's a pic of it. There is a metal frame that's in the polymer frame (chassis) but the rails are not part of it.
The front locking block and sear block are actually where the rails are. Everything else on the frame that looks like a rail is actually plastic.
I've had the gun in pieces sandblasting it for cerakote and I've been making note of what is plastic and what is metal.
What you see as the "chassis" in their picture is actually misleading. The "chassis" is 2 rails, one on each side. They are not connected (boxed). They included the front locking block and sear block in the picture and they shouldn't have.
Having the front locking block and sear block in places completes this box, however they are guided in place by plastic rails and then a pin is driven through them to connect them to the "chassis"
I'm starting to think about this, I am a good shot w/ everything except my Glock, from what I've read my problem (consistent low and left) can be a problem w/ people who convert to glocks and can be solved w/ less trigger finger (contrary to the shot wheel)
That wheel is useless.
Mass-diver
NES Member
Really, I've only been lurking there for a little while, but it seems like a nice site. Very civil and tightly moderated and some of those guys have some nice ARs. I really prefer it to AR15.com.
