Ammo Ban from Russia Potentially Lifted?

Will the ban on Russian ammo be lifted?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 24.6%

  • No

    Votes: 46 75.4%
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Dennis in MA said:
Holy crap. $500 a case????? Damn. I'm sorely tempted to sell my entire platform (which I think is just a sidefolder Poly and the ammo and mags). It would make it easier to move next year for sure without lugging even more stuff. (NOTE: NOT SERIOUS - do not take this as an offer of sale!)

Wow!

I've never paid more than $12 for an AK mag either. ROFL!!! Back in the early Dark Days, you could still get AK mags from AIM for about $8 each. Circle-10's were $12.

I might be able to retire a few years early if I unload this now. LOL
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Before the Covid, BLM, and Biden panics I always like the 7.62x39 because it was a cheap alternative with more potential for a short to medium range hunting caliber for deer and smaller size game in very robust and reliable milsurp rifles like the AK and SKS as well as the nifty Ruger American bolt action. When AK prices started climbing after Obama, there was still the SKS, but now even those are $500 rifles. Top that with the massive cost for the ammo and I'm not certain it's worth anyone buying into anymore, not when the .300 BLK seems like its niche will never fade and I'm sure .350 Legend is going to find its way into a tactical role when subsonic ammunition for that starts getting made and that is even more capable for hunting than either 7.62x39 or .300 BLK is.

That said, I have always been of the opinion that once you own something that you know and has proven itself to you to be an effective, trustworthy firearm that you are familiar and proficient with, there is no sense to dump what you have because ammo prices go up. I read that so many people once owned Tokarev pistols because the surplus ammo was cheap and they blasted thru all that ammo and once it dried up they dumped those pistols, which IMO makes no sense because they all put a lot of time behind the trigger and certainly became good with them.

I know you're making a joke, but there's bound to be people seeing the same thing we all are with 7.62x39 and all I can say is don't be hasty. I think all ammo prices are going to drop 25% in the next year or two and then it will be time to stock up because the pendulum is always swinging.
 
T-Unit said:
I know you're making a joke, but there's bound to be people seeing the same thing we all are with 7.62x39 and all I can say is don't be hasty. I think all ammo prices are going to drop 25% in the next year or two and then it will be time to stock up because the pendulum is always swinging.
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I doubt it.

China restricts selling US nitrocellulose and antimony​

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"The recent decision by China to halt the export of two critical components —nitrocellulose and antimony— has raised alarms within the U.S. ammunition manufacturing industry and among defense experts. These materials are indispensable in the production of propellant powder and primers, and their restriction threatens to create significant supply chain disruptions. As geopolitical tensions rise and global conflicts, like the war in Ukraine, drive up demand for ammunition, the U.S. faces an uncertain future in maintaining adequate ammunition supplies for both military and civilian...
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Qwikdraw45 said:
I doubt it.

China restricts selling US nitrocellulose and antimony​

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Thread 'China restricts selling US nitrocellulose and antimony'

"The recent decision by China to halt the export of two critical components —nitrocellulose and antimony— has raised alarms within the U.S. ammunition manufacturing industry and among defense experts. These materials are indispensable in the production of propellant powder and primers, and their restriction threatens to create significant supply chain disruptions. As geopolitical tensions rise and global conflicts, like the war in Ukraine, drive up demand for ammunition, the U.S. faces an uncertain future in maintaining adequate ammunition supplies for both military and civilian...
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Both of you aren't wrong.

Some ammo will drop, but sticky price is a thing and there's still rampant inflation and high material costs. Those looking for the $159 cases of blazer 9mm like during the original trump slump are going to be pretty disappointed.
 
drgrant said:
Both of you aren't wrong.

Some ammo will drop, but sticky price is a thing and there's still rampant inflation and high material costs. Those looking for the $159 cases of blazer 9mm like during the original trump slump are going to be pretty disappointed.
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Yeah, those days are gone. Idk what the low for prices will be, but wherever they are now they're not going to stay there because now the panic is over and the panics always revolve around Donks in the WH or the potential for them to be in the WH. We know Trump is going to focus on lowering energy prices and that will lower the cost of pretty much everything. It's not like the wages at the plants making the ammo have drastically gone up since 2021 because the secret is hourly employees in the industry don't get paid shit outside of S&W and that is likely to change once Smith leaves Mass completely.

The biggest reason for the lowering prices is not just a decrease in demand from the end of the panic cycle or the lower energy costs, it's becasue we're knee deep in recession with sticky inflation.

If I had to guess, raise whatever the low prices were for shit in 2019 by 20-25% and that's a target for how low they might go this time around. So, $50/1000 primers (I just got some SPP for 57/1000), $200 for cases of 9, and hopefully powder for less than $40/lb.

Percussion caps won't go down much because CCI and Remington don't give a shit about black powder shooters.
 
You think Trump is going to stop the Ukraine war? Yeah, just like he built a wall and got Mexico to pay for it.

Russia has decimated their Cold War stocks of everything. They don’t have piles of surplus ammo to sell anymore.
 
M1911 said:
You think Trump is going to stop the Ukraine war? Yeah, just like he built a wall and got Mexico to pay for it.

Russia has decimated their Cold War stocks of everything. They don’t have piles of surplus ammo to sell anymore.
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I wouldn’t necessarily think he’d stop the war but it most likely will end during his presidency, one way or the other. So when that happens whether we choose to be diplomatically neutral-friendly with Russia or diplomatically neutral-hostile with Russia, or other, is the question. That is contigent upon how it ends.

Although I do agree that their surplus supplies of nearly everything are more depleted now than ever before. I was more talking about cheaply produced ammo that would then be available for trade / outright purchase.
 
Mountain said:
The average taxpayer's share of all this Ukraine bullsh!t is approximately $3K. Those of us in the higher brackets probably ~$6K.

Mrs. Mountain and I will accept our $6K refund in ammo.
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I “Love-reacted” to the last sentence, not the first two, for future reference.
 
Rocky Mosasaurus said:
I wouldn’t necessarily think he’d stop the war but it most likely will end during his presidency, one way or the other. So when that happens whether we choose to be diplomatically neutral-friendly with Russia or diplomatically neutral-hostile with Russia, or other, is the question. That is contigent upon how it ends.
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The US President can’t end the Ukraine War.

There is only one person who can: Vladimir Putin. He can end the war tomorrow by saying he will stop the fighting and withdraw from Ukraine. But he won’t and there is nothing we can do about that. All we can do is provide Ukraine with the means to defend themselves until Russia gets tired of the losses.
 
M1911 said:
The US President can’t end the Ukraine War.

There is only one person who can: Vladimir Putin. He can end the war tomorrow by saying he will stop the fighting and withdraw from Ukraine. But he won’t and there is nothing we can do about that. All we can do is provide Ukraine with the means to defend themselves until Russia gets tired of the losses.
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That’s exactly what I’m saying. Despite the fact that Trump cannot stop it, the war will inevitably end in 4 years by Putin’s choosing, him being forced into ending it after suffering heavy losses, or funding drying up and a Russian takeover.
 
Not getting a dick in the ass from Big Govt… imagine that!!!

Give the people what they want!!!!! Release the ammo deposits!!!!!!!!
 
Lol you guys aren't paying attention to the Ukraine war and it shows. Russia is so far behind on production it is buying ammo and mortar shells from north Korea. Believe me, there is no ammo to export.
 
btnh6668 said:
Lol you guys aren't paying attention to the Ukraine war and it shows. Russia is so far behind on production it is buying ammo and mortar shells from north Korea. Believe me, there is no ammo to export.
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My understanding is that more than 1/2 of Russia’s artillery shells are coming from NK and apparently the quality is very poor.
 
btnh6668 said:
Lol you guys aren't paying attention to the Ukraine war and it shows. Russia is so far behind on production it is buying ammo and mortar shells from north Korea. Believe me, there is no ammo to export.
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This would have been true for an American company. Russia, just like it's predecessor the USSR, does not subscribe to just-in-time production. They build assembly lines for a specific product and keep building and stockpiling until they can't pay the people. If they need another caliber, they will build another assembly line.

In other words, there are mountains of Grendel ammo piled up in russia somewhere.
 
Rocky Mosasaurus said:
What do you guys think? Will we see Trump broker a deal with Russia and lift the trade ban on Russian ammo? Will 7.62x39 ammo be cheap again (7ACA)? Discuss!
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If sanctions on russia are lifted (I hope not) and we can import russian ammo again, will it be subject to a tariff? And how much?
 
M1911 said:
The US President can’t end the Ukraine War.

There is only one person who can: Vladimir Putin. He can end the war tomorrow by saying he will stop the fighting and withdraw from Ukraine. But he won’t and there is nothing we can do about that. All we can do is provide Ukraine with the means to defend themselves until Russia gets tired of the losses.
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That's the sad part. No matter how corrupt Ukraine is, they were invaded. If we don't keep supporting them, Russia will win and that would empower Putin to think he could start on Poland or some other country next.
 
Qwikdraw45 said:
That's the sad part. No matter how corrupt Ukraine is, they were invaded. If we don't keep supporting them, Russia will win and that would empower Putin to think he could start on Poland or some other country next.
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Poland is probably too strong for him. I think he would go for the Baltic states instead.
 
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