Assault Style Firearm Update – March 27, 2025

[Drill Baby Drill]

According to the state - they have done something wrong.

According to the state and the committee post 2016 lowers are illegal.

Question is will the register their ill gotten goods.

And, if they do - will the state come after them?

Don’t register. Don’t comply. Don’t just wear that shirt or hat said it. They are not gonna show up.

 

[Reptile]

Don’t register. Don’t comply. Don’t just wear that shirt or hat said it. They are not gonna show up.

I think they will snipe people one at a time.

Keep keep the fear up.

For folks with out of state storage - you might want to consider that.

Or, bury it.

Or, bury it out of state.

 

[Drill Baby Drill]

I think they will snipe people one at a time.

Keep keep the fear up.

For folks with out of state storage - you might want to consider that.

Or, bury it.

Or, bury it out of state.

Oh yeah? Alright, let’s think about this. How many people in Massachusetts own ARs? 100,000? 200,000? No problem. Let them try to arrest all of us. Do they even have the facilities to hold that many people?
And if they actually tried? We’d be all over the national news—front and center. It would reach the White House, the Senate, and beyond.

 

[VTski4x4]

Oh yeah? Alright, let’s think about this. How many people in Massachusetts own ARs? 100,000? 200,000? No problem. Let them try to arrest all of us. Do they even have the facilities to hold that many people?
And if they actually tried? We’d be all over the national news—front and center. It would reach the White House, the Senate, and beyond.

They don't have enough suicidal allies to arrest 200,000 armed folks.

 

[mac1911]

ok, somebody pls translate to plain english what all that means, if possible, in less than 2-3 sentences.
have anything changed? if so, what?

Nothing changed. If you end up in court your screwed.
Its how laws have been written for ages
Saint in one paragraph hardcore felon in the next and all designed to be a coin toss in court. Good f***ing luck people

 

[Mark from ?]

So you have off list guns that you are going to purposely inform an adversarial government about?

Thats a choice youll have to make isnt it.

 

[mac1911]

Oh yeah? Alright, let’s think about this. How many people in Massachusetts own ARs? 100,000? 200,000? No problem. Let them try to arrest all of us. Do they even have the facilities to hold that many people?
And if they actually tried? We’d be all over the national news—front and center. It would reach the White House, the Senate, and beyond.

No arrests just the same old tactic
Affraid to bring them out say they stayed locked away or they pick us off one by one as police some how get into your life
Traffic stop , wellness check , your kid needs a ambulance ride

 

[Drill Baby Drill]

No arrests just the same old tactic
Affraid to bring them out say they stayed locked away or they pick us off one by one as police some how get into your life
Traffic stop , wellness check , your kid needs a ambulance ride

They are not going to search your car unless you did something shady, like being suspected of human trafficking or drug-related activities. They are not going to search your car if you speed, no seat belt or pass the red light. Unless you drive 120mph on school zone or reckless driving.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Nothing changed. If you end up in court your screwed.
Its how laws have been written for ages
Saint in one paragraph hardcore felon in the next and all designed to be a coin toss in court. Good f***ing luck people

If you end up under scrutiny you are screwed. With all the laws today you ARE guilty of something and “the man” can enter your life without you doing anything to invite him in. Medical emergency, car accident with weapons in the car, restraining order, harassment order, and on and on.

When I was in small claims court dealing with trying to get something replace on my truck, two years into the B2B warranty, there was a person there requesting a restraining order against an acquaintance that was yelling threatening things and “I thought I saw something that could have been a knife” presto order RO granted. Draft an order for all firearms and ammunition to be turned in.

It seemed pretty thin to me but judges will err on the side of caution for sure.

If that person has anything that isn’t according to Hoyle they suddenly have bigger issues.

 

[Picton]

Dear lord. The pants-shitting...

Have a little self-respect, men.

 

[Bmcl322]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHLOwB2Xp38

 

[dcmdon]

2016 doesn't matter
8/1/2024 matters

If it was purchased before 2016, then out was purchased before 8/2024.

So answer my question.

 

[Reptile]

If it was purchased before 2016, then out was purchased before 8/2024.

So answer my question.

Please rephrase question due to grammatical error.

 

[DW357]

So when actual registration gets implemented to register or not is the real question for those who have post 2016 ar’s

 

[Reptile]

So, you are going to register your post 2016 AR?

 

[DW357]

They are not going to search your car unless you did something shady, like being suspected of human trafficking or drug-related activities. They are not going to search your car if you speed, no seat belt or pass the red light. Unless you drive 120mph on school zone or reckless driving.

Only slight concern I have (especially after getting rear ended and totaling my car in 2023 and going to the hospital in an ambulance) is getting into a car accident to and from the range and needing to be brought to a hospital. Meanwhile you got gunz in the car.
Aside from that I live a boring life and don’t have crazy ex wives or gfs calling the popo on me etc. So I take my chances

 

[DW357]

So, you are going to register your post 2016 AR?

See gif above

 

[wcorey]

It’s a hunk of aluminum just like what I have on a rack at the back of my garage! View attachment 980640

Yeah well, so is a machine gun lower, doesn't necessarily mean it's legal for me to own.

My question related to proof of ownership on 8/1 for completed 80% lowers, there was no 4473 on 80%'ers and a sales receipt isn't exactly definitive for an unserialized hunk of aluminum.
Federally it's not a firearm until you go past 80% but after ch135 it's a gun in Ma if a slab of something has one drawn on it in crayon.
I know, technically the state has to prove it was out of state on 8/1 rather than the other way around but I'd rather hedge my bet somehow.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

So is this the states official stance or another groups interpretation?

If this is the states stance, how? They said something in 2016. They did not change a law. They allow sales of said firearms for 9 years. They audit books. They allowed registration "record of transaction". The feds audited books and found 2016 was not law. In that 9 year time frame, not one ffl was shut down and charged or individual arrested.

How is this possible or legal?

 

[rcwhat]

Holy shit! We’re supposed to go on the trains? What should we bring with us?

At some point noncompliance is the only answer. For many that time is now.

 

[MAJoe]

Yeah well, so is a machine gun lower, doesn't necessarily mean it's legal for me to own.

My question related to proof of ownership on 8/1 for completed 80% lowers, there was no 4473 on 80%'ers and a sales receipt isn't exactly definitive for an unserialized hunk of aluminum.
Federally it's not a firearm until you go past 80% but after ch135 it's a gun in Ma if a slab of something has one drawn on it in crayon.
I know, technically the state has to prove it was out of state on 8/1 rather than the other way around but I'd rather hedge my bet somehow.

If it’s an AR or other “banned lower” and it wasn’t serialized by 8/1, then it’s not exempt no matter when you bought it or submitted an FA10 for it.

 

[MAJoe]

So is this the states official stance or another groups interpretation?

If this is the states stance, how? They said something in 2016. They did not change a law. They allow sales of said firearms for 9 years. They audit books. They allowed registration "record of transaction". The feds audited books and found 2016 was not law. In that 9 year time frame, not one ffl was shut down and charged or individual arrested.

How is this possible or legal?

It’s a draft stance coming from the firearm control advisory board and based on updated police training, shared by GOAL who sit on the board.

 

[not new guy]

If it’s an AR or other “banned lower” and it wasn’t serialized by 8/1, then it’s not exempt no matter when you bought it or submitted an FA10 for it.

Serialized and what though? There’s nowhere to register it, right? How can they prove when it was serialized, or bought for that matter?

 

[MAJoe]

Serialized and what though? There’s nowhere to register it, right? How can they prove when it was serialized, or bought for that matter?

Serialized would be hard to prove. I’m just stating what the law says. Bought would be easy unless you bought it cash.

Registration is its own clusterfk.

 

[bigben111435]

They are not going to search your car unless you did something shady, like being suspected of human trafficking or drug-related activities. They are not going to search your car if you speed, no seat belt or pass the red light. Unless you drive 120mph on school zone or reckless driving.

they may search your car if you speed or run a red light or have an expired inspection sticker.
probable cause is whatever the cop says it is.
driving around assuming your cannot be pulled over and searched will be a painful lesson.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Dear lord. The pants-shitting...

Have a little self-respect, men.

There is a member here who had a long legal fight to get his license restored and get his weapons back, mostly. @Roof gunner IIRC.

I shared the story as I was blown away at how easy it was to get a restraining order.

 

[MAJoe]

There is a member here who had a long legal fight to get his license restored and get his weapons back, mostly. @Roof gunner IIRC.

I shared the story as I was blown away at how easy it was to get a restraining order.

And couple that with the recent expansion of the red flag provisions.

 

[pastera]

Yeah well, so is a machine gun lower, doesn't necessarily mean it's legal for me to own.

My question related to proof of ownership on 8/1 for completed 80% lowers, there was no 4473 on 80%'ers and a sales receipt isn't exactly definitive for an unserialized hunk of aluminum.
Federally it's not a firearm until you go past 80% but after ch135 it's a gun in Ma if a slab of something has one drawn on it in crayon.
I know, technically the state has to prove it was out of state on 8/1 rather than the other way around but I'd rather hedge my bet somehow.

The state must prove its case so if you have evidence that the item was in your possession before 8/1/2024 then it is incumbent on the government to prove that you didn't have the item on that day. And that's something only you running your mouth can supply proof for.

All of this is short term anyhow.
There are too many AWB cases in the pipeline for Scotus to ignore forever. so in the next 18-36 months states will either be barred from this shit, or will be using their registries to go door to door and collect every single varient of compliance.

 

[pastera]

I mean, post 2016 ARs weren’t illegal based on the law. It will be illegal to have anything not registered. I think there is a difference between those situations. I’d liken that to someone buying a post 8/1 lower and not caring to register it.

The state is taking the position that there never were any post 94 legal ARs but they, in their abundant grace, would overlook those sold before July 2016.
Mass district courts will apply Chevron and defer to the state's interpretation therefore all post ban ARs presented to the lower courts will be found illegal to possess.
And you cannot be held responsible for not registering possession of an illegal item so why would a person willingly waive their right to not self incriminate through registering an item that the average person is unable to determine legality?

 

[Picton]

There is a member here who had a long legal fight to get his license restored and get his weapons back, mostly. @Roof gunner IIRC.

I shared the story as I was blown away at how easy it was to get a restraining order.

Restraining orders are one thing.

Worrying about whether you can "legally" sell an 80% lower you bought on 1 August versus 31 July, or worrying you'll be arrested over that, is another.