ATF auditor photographing customer info in A&D bound book.

240Geezer said:
The shop owners just let them do this? No "sorry you can't photograph that" ????
Just roll over and play dead?
Because " Muh business"
I would not knowingly do business with those people.
Not because ATF did bad but because there was no pushback.
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Such as ?
You want to go hands on to stop them ?
Toss them out of the shop bodily ?
Want your house burned down with your family in it ?, because that's how you get your house burned down with your family in it.
F*ckers have been murdering american citizens for a few decades with impunity.
They would be happy to label you a domestic terrorist and give you some of the same.
Dude did the right thing and got it out public.
 
A serious question for our FFL's: Is this activity commonplace or at least seen periodically, or is what's posted by the OP a significant escalation in activity?
 
Dadstoys said:
Such as ?
You want to go hands on to stop them ?
Toss them out of the shop bodily ?
Want your house burned down with your family in it ?, because that's how you get your house burned down with your family in it.
F*ckers have been murdering american citizens for a few decades with impunity.
They would be happy to label you a domestic terrorist and give you some of the same.
Dude did the right thing and got it out public.
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Obstructing a federal agent is punishable by up to 20 years in slam me in the booty hole prison. You first.

People don’t think the system be like it is…but it do.
 
Mountain said:
A serious question for our FFL's: Is this activity commonplace or at least seen periodically, or is what's posted by the OP a significant escalation in activity?
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During the 40 years that I've been dicking around in the gun biz I've had many audits. At first they would give you a day or two heads up to get your shit together. Then for a while they would surprise you. Lately they've been calling ahead. Your results could vary. If you are 07/SOT they get a list of the NFA items that show that you have in the registry. If you have more than a couple of items, the list never matches your inventory. No big deal, they know that the NFA registry is screwed up. Then they look at your last 10 or so 4473s. Any small typo just gets corrected. Then they compare your inventory with your bound book. This is what can take time. Lately they have been going over a long list of items that you should pay attention to. Then they leave and you shitcan the list and go back to your coffee. Jack.
 
enbloc said:
Make it harder for them by filling out the Bound Book... In code...

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What? Can't read cursive? Oh.. well it's still in English so, tough shit...
 
one-eyed Jack said:
During the 40 years that I've been dicking around in the gun biz I've had many audits. At first they would give you a day or two heads up to get your shit together. Then for a while they would surprise you. Lately they've been calling ahead. Your results could vary. If you are 07/SOT they get a list of the NFA items that show that you have in the registry. If you have more than a couple of items, the list never matches your inventory. No big deal, they know that the NFA registry is screwed up. Then they look at your last 10 or so 4473s. Any small typo just gets corrected. Then they compare your inventory with your bound book. This is what can take time. Lately they have been going over a long list of items that you should pay attention to. Then they leave and you shitcan the list and go back to your coffee. Jack.
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Jack you’ve got me on the fence about being #62? At the mill.
 
It's happened to my guy a couple of times and it was a while ago. I think it happened to Ralph at least once when he owned Riley's. More dealers should take advantage of the 20 year rule and shred their 4473s that reach that age monthly - or simply return them to the person who originally filled them out if possible [wink]
 
Matt_SERE said:
@blackmetalfirearms No registry? Here's our ATF auditor copying every single page of our A&D books with her cell phone camera using an app that reads text. This data includes make, model, serial number, buyer's name and address, and even the seller. We have well over 20 minutes of footage of this happening in our shop in public view. Yes, this is illegal. @gunpolicy @nra @tedsshootingrange

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she looks like the lesbian affirmative action candidate
 
Spartan65 said:
Obstructing a federal agent is punishable by up to 20 years in slam me in the booty hole prison. You first.

People don’t think the system be like it is…but it do.
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Again with the you first?
I will, I do, and continue to resist.
Grow a set.
 
Dadstoys said:
Such as ?
You want to go hands on to stop them ?
Toss them out of the shop bodily ?
Want your house burned down with your family in it ?, because that's how you get your house burned down with your family in it.
F*ckers have been murdering american citizens for a few decades with impunity.
They would be happy to label you a domestic terrorist and give you some of the same.
Dude did the right thing and got it out public.
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Keep turtling and see where that gets you. And your kids and your kids kids.
1776 was a long time ago but the blink of an eye in the history of tyranny.
I cannot believe I see this kind of gutless tripe on a gun forum.
 
You folks thought the government only steals presidential elections? Nothing is illegal for them to do any more. There's no one left who will arrest and prosecute the criminals. The people themselves aren't ready to do what it takes to stop them...much of America is fat and lazy, They still have plenty of food and are still too comfy. Besides, they're getting ready for football training camp.. so nothing will change
 
one-eyed Jack said:
During the 40 years that I've been dicking around in the gun biz I've had many audits. At first they would give you a day or two heads up to get your shit together. Then for a while they would surprise you. Lately they've been calling ahead. Your results could vary. If you are 07/SOT they get a list of the NFA items that show that you have in the registry. If you have more than a couple of items, the list never matches your inventory. No big deal, they know that the NFA registry is screwed up. Then they look at your last 10 or so 4473s. Any small typo just gets corrected. Then they compare your inventory with your bound book. This is what can take time. Lately they have been going over a long list of items that you should pay attention to. Then they leave and you shitcan the list and go back to your coffee. Jack.
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What’s more than a few? asking for a friend.
 
240Geezer said:
Keep turtling and see where that gets you. And your kids and your kids kids.
1776 was a long time ago but the blink of an eye in the history of tyranny.
I cannot believe I see this kind of gutless tripe on a gun forum.
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Dude you have no idea about me at all.
Sorry , you don't get to give me lessons about when or how to fight.
 
Dadstoys said:
Dude you have no idea about me at all.
Sorry , you don't get to give me lessons about when or how to fight.
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You are correct I don't know you.
Nor am I giving you lessons on how to fight.
I would not waste my time. Or your's.
Enjoy your life....
 
240Geezer said:
The shop owners just let them do this? No "sorry you can't photograph that" ????
Just roll over and play dead?
Because " Muh business"
I would not knowingly do business with those people.
Not because ATF did bad but because there was no pushback.
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Well, I guess he could have just shot he In the back and buried her under the shop. [/SARC]
 
240Geezer said:
The shop owners just let them do this? No "sorry you can't photograph that" ????
Just roll over and play dead?
Because " Muh business"
I would not knowingly do business with those people.
Not because ATF did bad but because there was no pushback.
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Realistically good luck with that though esp if pushing back means risking shut down. If there were more attorneys conversant in federal gun law who represented dealers I think this stuff could be squashed.
 
appraiser said:
this one?

www.tactical-life.com

VIDEO: ATF Agent James Burk Tased by Columbus Police, Files Suit

https://youtu.be/gb1MVFDy_tw An ATF agent filed a federal lawsuit recently, alleging two Columbus police officers used excessive force against him. The
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Every part of this gave me the hugest erection ever… There’s some equal enforcement for you.

I only start my shit show after I dive headfirst into the cruiser to avoid getting shot this guy is a moron.
 
Matt_SERE said:
No registry? Here's our ATF auditor copying every single page of our A&D books with her cell phone camera using an app that reads text. This data includes make, model, serial number, buyer's name and address, and even the seller. We have well over 20 minutes of footage of this happening in our shop in public view. Yes, this is illegal.
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I know it's illegal to create a registry. Where is it illegal for ATF to copy records?

Some years back, ATF had a boner for some FFL out in Idaho, I think. Red's Trading Post, maybe?

ATF wanted to make copies of their A&D log. "Sure, that's legal."
ATF wanted to use their copier. "Nuh-uh. Bring your own."
ATF brought their own, and tried to plug it in. "Nope. Go get your own electricity."

I don't think it ended well in the end. The FFL was a victim of employee theft, but ATF said that was the same as illegally trafficking stolen firearms.
 

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