So enough of the MA faggotry, I am getting close to pulling the trigger on a form 1 can. What's the current sitch?
By no means am I an eForm 1 silencer pro but I spend enough time in r/NFA to know they are really hard to get at the moment.
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So enough of the MA faggotry, I am getting close to pulling the trigger on a form 1 can. What's the current sitch?
EasyD's logical is flawed. He says since rifle is not defined in that section you must use MA definition of rifle. A SBR is not a rifle, poof. It does not work that way. If it pulled in federal law by saying the text of federal law appears HERE in our definition, then we would fall back on MA rifle definition. Instead it says AW is as defined in this section of federal law which means you have to take the full context and relevant definitions in federal law around the section in question.
If we accept EasyD's logic, then lets talk pistols and the AWB. No one reasonably thinks all pistols are exempt from the AWB because the referenced law does not define pistol. MA does not define pistol so we cannot fall back on the MA definition. This would mean that pistols are exempt from the AWB. Hmm. that does not hold water.
So how did we decide to apply the semiautomatic pistol section of federal law to "firearms" as defined by MA (usually pistols). Since a SBR is a "firearm" and identical to any pistol under MA law, would not the semiautomatic pistol definition of the federal AWB not apply to SBRs?
The logic of EasyD is not self consistent. There are 3 choices that are logically self consistent
So if you go with (1) you have to go with all of (1). So build out your AR and AK pistols because clearly they are exempt by the same logic.
- SBRs are exempt. Pistols ("firearms under MA law") are exempt
- "Firearms" (pistols) are subject to federal semiauto pistol definition so therefore so are SBRs
- SBRs are subject to rifle definition and "firearms" when they are pistols are subject to pistol definition
Unfortunately the way our shitty laws are written, this interpretation is likely "correct" even if not the original intent. Similar to the fact that an SBR is not a rifle but a "firearm" which fell out of the AG desire to shutdown sale of Shockwaves. They read the law and actually correctly parsed what it said. You can carry a loaded SBR under your direct control, or a shockwave. They are "firearms" just like all handguns.
On the topic of machine guns. I will go pull out the relevant references if needed but a) it is illegal to possess one w/o a license and b) there is no carve out for under the direct supervision of someone who is allowed to possess. General possession of a firearm, shotgun or rifle has a carve out for when you are under the supervision of a LTC/FID holder as appropriate. Machine guns no such luck. So the moment you take possession you have committed a felony with a life sentence.
It sucks, but that is how the law is constructed.
Yes, this state is fuhked and otherwise sucks. The laws were written by untrained monkeys. The fact that the definition of barrel length includes the cylinder in a revolver and that an SBR is the same as a handgun ("firearm") and that receivers/frames are unregulated and... The people who wrote these laws thought they were smart but were stupid.
The fixed mag pistol arrest shows they will arrest and attempt to prosecute on any pretense. Fortunately the judge was having none of it in that case, but I would not expect logic to always prevail.
The arguments made around SBRs being exempt might work in a free state w/o a gun bias but no chance here. I say might because I believe as written there is not a lot of wiggle room to support your/EasyD's position and even in a free state you would be screwed should this be the law of the land.
By no means am I an eForm 1 silencer pro but I spend enough time in r/NFA to know they are really hard to get at the moment.
I know at the dealer level on form 4 transfers they're taking like a friggan year.... but I don't think that is something that gets expedited via efile.
Which is why I want to form1 and build a can. I think I might be in the market for a MPX this summer and want a bigger, quieter can then I have for night time larping in my back yard.
Might be part of the reason why Chris Costa had a thing on his channel even talking about SOLVENT TRAPS, apparently there was at least one company making higher brow versions of them that
had baffle stacks in them that you could adjust to taste, etc. You just needed a stamp before you could use a jig to drill out the exit hole in the end cap to keep it legal.
Might be part of the reason why Chris Costa had a thing on his channel even talking about SOLVENT TRAPS, apparently there was at least one company making higher brow versions of them that
had baffle stacks in them that you could adjust to taste, etc. You just needed a stamp before you could use a jig to drill out the exit hole in the end cap to keep it legal.
JK Armament? They are really nice but they are as much or more than a lot of Form 4 manufactured suppressors. You get it in 30 days though. I have been getting all of my Form 4 between 120 and 150 days since the shutdown. It sucks but it’s better than a year or longer like a was a little while back.
Yeah, ScottS has a pretty good thread here on eFrom1 cans, I think he has done a few. Seems way easier then the last time the idea crossed my mind.
JK Armament? They are really nice but they are as much or more than a lot of Form 4 manufactured suppressors. You get it in 30 days though. I have been getting all of my Form 4 between 120 and 150 days since the shutdown. It sucks but it’s better than a year or longer like a was a little while back.
LOL. you are a 16 year old girl. Take a nude selfie and send it to your boyfriend. Get charged as an adult for distribution of child pornography. This is how the law works.Didn't Maura rule that SBRs (and factory SBSs) cannot be transferred by dealers because they are not rifles (or shotguns) but "firearms" and as such subject to the roster of approved firearms? So if they are not rifles, according to the AG, they are also not subject to the AWB for rifles. And yes I know fully well that Maura's words are not law, but she cannot have it both ways.
Approved! 6/15/20SBR Form 1 submitted 5/21/20
Off to the post office to mail the fingerprint cards and cover letter!
Now to play the waiting game...
Sweet!submitted form 1 today and mailing prints out today, lets see how long it takes.
Approval seem to be getting longer with COVID but most are within 30 days on NFA tracker. Good luck.Sent in my first NFA application, eform1 for an SBR. Applied 6/29 sent fingerprints 6/30. Hopefully it’s a quick turnaround.
Sent in my first NFA application, eform1 for an SBR. Applied 6/29 sent fingerprints 6/30. Hopefully it’s a quick turnaround.
So you are in MA and got a SBR Virtus through the reform 1 of NFA. I called around and have 2 shops in MA even willing to receive a Virtus. Nice!SIG MCX Virtus - 300BLK 9" Barrel & 5.56 NATO 11.5" Barrel Configuration filed as Individual EFORM
Submitted 4/28
Fingerprints Arrived 5/6
Approved today! 5/22
HOT DAMN 24 Days!
Having the barrel pinned and keeping the fixed stock from what I've read.
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Race is on! I also did my own prints using the finger printing machine at CoastieRon’s, I’m sure we’re fine after reading the fingerprinting thread.just sent mine in as well... Let’s race and see who gets the response first. I did my own prints let’s hope they are good enough.
Race is on! I also did my own prints using the finger printing machine at CoastieRon’s, I’m sure we’re fine after reading the fingerprinting thread.
No. You upload image of LTC under the “electronic documents” section towards the end of the application.Going to do my first form 1 sbr on efile tonight have my finger prints done do we in ma have to send a copy of are ltc with the prints ?
Is that front and back or just the front thanks for the help !No. You upload image of LTC under the “electronic documents” section towards the end of the application.
I only did the front and they approved mine.Is that front and back or just the front thanks for the help !
Ok awesome one more question what kind of envelope do do you mail you’re prints in I know stupid question just want to do this right is all.I only did the front and they approved mine.
I used a USPS priority envelope which comes with tracking etc. I think it was like $7ish per envelope? You don’t want to send them via snail mail (regular envelope) as they need to be received by ATF within 10 days. I guess when mailing the LEO copy I could use snail mail since it’s in the same town but I just did priority for both.Ok awesome one more question what kind of envelope do do you mail you’re prints in I know stupid question just want to do this right is all.
Ok thanks for the help !I used a USPS priority envelope which comes with tracking etc. I think it was like $7ish per envelope? You don’t want to send them via snail mail (regular envelope) as they need to be received by ATF within 10 days. I guess when mailing the LEO copy I could use snail mail since it’s in the same town but I just did priority for both.