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barrel size, caliber, accuracy, mini-14....... help.
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You want a cheap semi-auto that will hit a coke can at 100 yards every time? Is this to go with your surplus hummer and hunting rifle that will use to take deer at 1000 yards?
A Mini-14 or Mini-30 certainly won't do it. In fact, I don't know of a single cheap semi-auto that will do it. And btw, pre-ban, large capacity magazines for the Mini-30 that actually work are scarce has hens teeth.
If you want to shoot MOA, then buy a bolt gun and start to reload. Not cheap, but cheaper than an MOA semi-auto and match-grade factory ammunition.
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Yup.
Signa427
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if im spending 1,300 dollars on a rifle, im not concerned with ammo pricess. And you dont save that much money by reloading, and im just relaying accuracy information from the FN website. When and where did i say i planned on shooting precise shots in competition? i didnt, a 2" group at 100 yards is perfect for me. And by the way, for 10 bucks i can get 20 ronds of cheap ammo. 15 bucks gets me 20 rounds of mid-grade ammo, and $100 buys me a fine day of shooting.
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So you want a mini 14 or 30 that will hold 2 moa groups with cheap optics and surplus ammo? What you're asking for doesn't exist. There's lots of good advice in this thread. You should read it.
seanc
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You did.. You said you want to shoot a can @ 100 yards and hit it every time..
Doing the math..
a coke can is a 2.5" target.
So you need to be at minimum a sub moa shooter using a 2 moa gun.
A typical mini 14 is a 3moa gun. (using match grade ammo and a bench rest)
Now you are talking about buying/ using cheap ammo 3moa or worse..
So, using fuzzy math, the gun 3moa + crap ammo 3 moa+ you (assuming) 1 moa = 7moa.
We are not quite at sub pie plate, and mo coke can is way out..
OR.. You could go with the mini cheap ammo and move the can in and just ignore the powder burns..
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Yeah you do. You can make ammo that will shoot 1 MOA for about $0.15 per round.
Signa427
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No i never said anything about competition, i enjoy plinking away at small targets at short to medium ranges. I want a gun, aside from my shooting, to be able to mechanicaly cycle .223 ammunition to hit a coke can at 100 yards. I never said that i intended to any of this with the mini14 due to its innacuracy, With a SCAR however i believe this may be possible with good ammunition.
Signa427
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It is compared to what im used to.
Signa427
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You still have to buy all the reloading equipment, presses, scales, dies, casings, primers, shells, bullets, books and charts....... on my budget it would be far cheaper to buy cheap ammo until i can afford all of this stuff.
Signa427
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I knew that days ago when i posted this thread, and i never said anything about utilizing the mini 14 to shoot 2 moa. And some of the "advice" on here is oppinionated or irrelivant.
You're missing the point. The Mini 14 is a POS that couldn't hit the broad side of the barn from inside it.
You can't plow a field with an Aardvark, you can't push a rope, and you can't shoot minute of mattress with a Mini 14.
Dude. Seriously. Buy an AR.
Sure you did. You said you wanted to hit a coke can every time at 100 yards. To do that, you'll need to be able to shoot about 2.5 MOA.
seanc
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Uhhh WHAT?!!?
Your orig question, (Well that is BEFORE YOU EDITED SEVERAL DAYS LATER) was regarding buying a mini 14 for the purpose of being able to hit a coke at at 100 yards EVERY TIME.
This has nothing to do with competition, it's a bout math.
A coke can is 2.5* 4.75. That is NOT an opinion.
In order to hit a 2.5" target, consistently (unlike the aforementioned, now edited and expurgated EVERY TIME). You need a gun that will consistently shoot under 2.5"MOA. That is not an opinion either.
In order to get this consistent 2.5 MOA, you will need to have match grade ammo, otherwise, the size of the groups will be greater than 2.5 moa, Not an opinion.
Now that you have a 2.5 moa gun and match grade ammo, now you also need to be a sub MOA shooter, to hit this target consistently. That is also not an opinion.
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Jose
Signa427, can you explain what an MOA is?
I'm going to have to dredge up my old thread about "NES It Never Fails"
When somebody asks for help on choosing a rifle/shotgun/pistol, "It Never Fails" that they already have their minds set on what they want. They're just looking for confirmation from the Internet Illuminati.
When the "II" doesn't seem to agrre with their choice, "it never fails" they dig in their heels.
That being said: who gives a crap?? You asked for info. and you got it. You want a Mini-14, go buy one.
When somebody asks for help on choosing a rifle/shotgun/pistol, "It Never Fails" that they already have their minds set on what they want. They're just looking for confirmation from the Internet Illuminati.
When the "II" doesn't seem to agrre with their choice, "it never fails" they dig in their heels.
That being said: who gives a crap?? You asked for info. and you got it. You want a Mini-14, go buy one.
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I bought the Mini 30 for some of the reasons you mentioned. I liked that it had a more traditional look than an AR or AK plus the fun of a semi auto is very real. I also thought the 7.62 round would be an OK deer hunting round and in the small size of the Mini I would have a neat little brush gun.
The reality of it is that I still like the looks and it is a lot of fun. The 7.62 round is an OK deer round but in the Mini 30 I would be uncomfortable shooting at a deer more than 50 yards away. Even with modern factory hunting ammo you should expect 3" plus groups at 100 yds. I've put a few thousand rounds through mine and it shoots as bad today as when it was new. But it is still fun...
The reality of it is that I still like the looks and it is a lot of fun. The 7.62 round is an OK deer round but in the Mini 30 I would be uncomfortable shooting at a deer more than 50 yards away. Even with modern factory hunting ammo you should expect 3" plus groups at 100 yds. I've put a few thousand rounds through mine and it shoots as bad today as when it was new. But it is still fun...
seanc
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That is all the reason anyone needs, you liked it and you wanted it.
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Jose
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seanc
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Originally Posted by Signa427
Im wishing to remove my account From NES, and i cant find out how to do it myself.
He could definitely do that at 100 yards with a mini 14, EVERYTIME..
But, this thread has always been about the scar anyways..
That would be hard to do.
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