Can FFL’s check to see if a lower that was bought in a private sale has been EFA 10’d

[CapeCod Shooter_56]

I have a question and I was hoping some of you may know the answer is there a way for ffls to check and see if a lower that was bought pre 8/1 in a private sale has been efa 10’d as a rifle by previous owner. I’m floating the idea of building a pistol but obviously I cant if I was efa’d as a rifle even though it was stripped when I got it

 

[chris_1001]

No. That’s not how it works.

Hope you don’t have dogs.

 

[Asaltweapon]

Building an AR pistol in MA?

 

[pewpewpew]

There was a really good discussion about this issue on a different post a while ago. If you search some combination of lower + rifle (or pistol) you can probably find it

 

[drgrant]

I have a question and I was hoping some of you may know the answer is there a way for ffls to check and see if a lower that was bought pre 8/1 in a private sale has been efa 10’d as a rifle by previous owner. I’m floating the idea of building a pistol but obviously I cant if I was efa’d as a rifle even though it was stripped when I got it

no

Also "EFA10ing something as a rifle" BTW doesnt mean it was actually turned into a rifle , so there's that aspect, too. Just because a bunch of people lie on forms doesnt mean reality is
changed.

Honestly this is shit people should just stop tying themselves into knots over and just build what they want. Endless attempts at compliance will yield nothing more than
frustration with no benefit.

 

[Marty McFly]

Just sbr a rifle and be happy with it anyway

 

[whatluck]

AR Pistols are loud, obnoxious, inaccurate, queef hot gasses in your face, and are notorious for eating themselves. probably the most american gun you can have. just do it and keep your f***in mouth shut.

 

[wcorey]

IANAL or an ffl... But AFAIK...
Who cares how it was efa10'ed?
It's the 4473 that counts for anything in this case and only the dealer who sold it (or possibly the atf) could verify that.
If it was bought/sold as a never assembled lower it should have been 4473'ed as an 'other'.
Even if the efa10 mattered it could have first been a pistol and then efa10'ed as a rifle...

 

[wcorey]

Building an AR pistol in MA?

Yes, ch135 eliminated the 50oz weight thing which was previously the big impediment...

 

[ChevyGuy91]

 

[MGnoob]

AR Pistols are loud, obnoxious, inaccurate, queef hot gasses in your face, and are notorious for eating themselves. probably the most american gun you can have. just do it and keep your f***in mouth shut.

If you’re gonna bother with it, make it legally full auto and I’d like the option of being able to shoulder it. Either way they do eat themselves. Given enough rounds, it was what I started with. But considering most people on here couldn’t hit a car at 10 feet. It’s pretty effective anyway.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

AR Pistols are loud, obnoxious, inaccurate, queef hot gasses in your face, and are notorious for eating themselves. probably the most american gun you can have. just do it and keep your f***in mouth shut.

This is gay. Be loud, obnoxious, and accurate while farting God's thunder on gay liberals.

I am not even realy sure wtf is really going on in this thread, I am just here to say, this is gay.

MA Bros, break laws, it feels American. Don't be democrats.

 

[Devils Paintbrush]

AR Pistols are loud, obnoxious, inaccurate, queef hot gasses in your face, and are notorious for eating themselves. probably the most american gun you can have. just do it and keep your f***in mouth shut.

Point number two...don't post pictures of yourself all over the internet shooting it at the range.

Short barrel rifles wouldn't be a crime if it was my decision.

I am not sure why a lot of people have to advertise their alleged malfeasance.

Out of sight, out of mind...that sort of thing.

 

[rogersmithiii]

Point number two...don't post pictures of yourself all over the internet shooting it at the range.

Short barrel rifles wouldn't be a crime if it was my decision.

I am not sure why a lot of people have to advertise their alleged malfeasance.

Out of sight, out of mind...that sort of thing.

If I had my way, possession of anything wouldn't be a crime. Using it in a nefarious manner would be.

 

[LakeTrout]

I would recommend not listening to anyone on this thread and keeping everything legal. I’ve come way too far in life to lose everything due to a stupid MA technicality. And yes, the chances of that are small. No, cops aren’t going around checking shit for no reason. But there are situations, especially if you are interested in one day marrying and divorcing a woman, where you may find yourself under accusations that may lead to more scrutiny about your possessions than you were told you might face on this stupid thread. Just my two cents. Do as you wish.

 

[PappyM3]

I have a question and I was hoping some of you may know the answer is there a way for ffls to check and see if a lower that was bought pre 8/1 in a private sale has been efa 10’d as a rifle by previous owner. I’m floating the idea of building a pistol but obviously I cant if I was efa’d as a rifle even though it was stripped when I got it

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.

1. It’s possible for anybody to see if it were FA-10ed as a rifle if it were part of the “accidental” leak that the firearm records bureau did a couple years ago.

But that doesn’t matter … because…

2. FA-10ing it as a rifle means absolutely nothing in terms of legality of turning it into a pistol. There are plenty of people who FA-10ed lowers without building them into anything. And the state FA-10 form has zero relevance to the federal consideration of turning a rifle into a pistol.

Do you know if the previous owner actually turned it into a pistol? More importantly, are you sure the prior owner didn’t briefly turn it into a pistol before turning it into a rifle?

I ask because, for every single one of my rifles that I bought as lowers, I threw a pistol upper on them with no stock first. Therefore every single one was a pistol first and I can go back and forth between rifle and pistol as much as I want.

If it was purchased from the factory as a rifle, you can’t do that.

 

[Palladin]

I would recommend not listening to anyone on this thread and keeping everything legal. I’ve come way too far in life to lose everything due to a stupid MA technicality. And yes, the chances of that are small. No, cops aren’t going around checking shit for no reason. But there are situations, especially if you are interested in one day marrying and divorcing a woman, where you may find yourself under accusations that may lead to more scrutiny about your possessions than you were told you might face on this stupid thread. Just my two cents. Do as you wish.

This is why I moved to a free state

 

[Tartakovsky]

GTFOOM

 

[CapeCod Shooter_56]

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.

1. It’s possible for anybody to see if it were FA-10ed as a rifle if it were part of the “accidental” leak that the firearm records bureau did a couple years ago.

But that doesn’t matter … because…

2. FA-10ing it as a rifle means absolutely nothing in terms of legality of turning it into a pistol. There are plenty of people who FA-10ed lowers without building them into anything. And the state FA-10 form has zero relevance to the federal consideration of turning a rifle into a pistol.

Do you know if the previous owner actually turned it into a pistol? More importantly, are you sure the prior owner didn’t briefly turn it into a pistol before turning it into a rifle?

I ask because, for every single one of my rifles that I bought as lowers, I threw a pistol upper on them with no stock first. Therefore every single one was a pistol first and I can go back and forth between rifle and pistol as much as I want.

If it was purchased from the factory as a rifle, you can’t do that.

It was bought as a stripped lower and have a bill of sale stating that it was stripped

 

[paul73]

It was bought as a stripped lower and have a bill of sale stating that it was stripped

Do not worry about things not worth worrying about.

Keep count of your lowers matching counts of rifle length uppers - that means 16” barrel including brake.

Keep shorter uppers separate. That’s all.

 

[wcorey]

I would recommend not listening to anyone on this thread...

By your own advice the op shouldn't listen to your advice either.
Particularly as it appears the whole point of the thread is how to stay within the law and you only offered pant shitting on the conjecture of being illegal.

 

[Buck F]

 

[MAJoe]

I would recommend not listening to anyone on this thread and keeping everything legal. I’ve come way too far in life to lose everything due to a stupid MA technicality. And yes, the chances of that are small. No, cops aren’t going around checking shit for no reason. But there are situations, especially if you are interested in one day marrying and divorcing a woman, where you may find yourself under accusations that may lead to more scrutiny about your possessions than you were told you might face on this stupid thread. Just my two cents. Do as you wish.

Agreed. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through to rationalize a lot of the comments you read here. Much is an echo chamber there where people parrot what they read.

 

[CapeCod Shooter_56]

I would recommend not listening to anyone on this thread and keeping everything legal. I’ve come way too far in life to lose everything due to a stupid MA technicality. And yes, the chances of that are small. No, cops aren’t going around checking shit for no reason. But there are situations, especially if you are interested in one day marrying and divorcing a woman, where you may find yourself under accusations that may lead to more scrutiny about your possessions than you were told you might face on this stupid thread. Just my two cents. Do as you wish.

That was the whole point of this thread is to do everything as close to perfect as I can

 

[PappyM3]

Agreed. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through to rationalize a lot of the comments you read here. Much is an echo chamber there where people parrot what they read.

Mental gymnastics are because most gun laws require them. Like, a gun that was first a rifle can never be a pistol, but a gun that was first a pistol or “other” can become a rifle, and then go back to being a pistol or other. It’s all so stupid, but those stupid obstacles require gymnastics to navigate.

 

[PappyM3]

It was bought as a stripped lower and have a bill of sale stating that it was stripped

If the previous owner never told you that it was built into a rifle first, then you should assume it is a virgin lower with which you can do what you want.

If the previous owner did tell you that it was first built into a rifle, then you could choose not to believe them and do what you want. It is virtually impossible to prove that a lower (that was transferred to an individual by a FFL as a lower) was first built as a rifle. Big boy rules.

The FA-10 history is meaningless here.

 

[G4Y4HK]

Just sbr a rifle and be happy with it anyway

You can shoulder pistols now and don't have to ask the ATF permission if you ever need to take it ACROSS STATE LINES Rittenhouse style.

 

[G4Y4HK]

AR Pistols are loud, obnoxious, inaccurate, queef hot gasses in your face, and are notorious for eating themselves.

They really don't have to be if you have a linear comp spitting those gasses forward and not be a retard and thread on a 3 port brake on a 7.5 inch 5.56 barrel.

 

[LakeTrout]

By your own advice the op shouldn't listen to your advice either.
Particularly as it appears the whole point of the thread is how to stay within the law and you only offered pant shitting on the conjecture of being illegal.

Telling the OP to keep things legal and not listen to people in this thread, after multiple people gave the OP the advice to do something that may not be legal and just shut up about it, is “ pant shitting on the conjecture of being illegal”?

If so, pass me the laxatives and take me to the Levi outlet. My advice is going to be to ignore the keyboard warriors telling people to ignore the law because it will never come back to bite them. It does. And I wouldn’t want the OP to be one of those cases.

 

[VTski4x4]

The answer truly is "no one knows". Half the firearms attorneys say one thing, the other half says another. Trusted FFLs with attorneys say 1 thing, GOAL says another. Find your risk tolerance and go with what your gut tells you.