Colorado Gov. Jared Polis Signs Insanely Unconstitutional Gun Control Law With Huge National Implications: Now Fixed Mags

[pdm]

To repeat Thurgood Marshall:

"There are no surplus of words in the Constitution."...

The words are there, and they have meaning and purpose... You can't ignore the first half of the amendment and only pay mind to the second....

The first half is explaining why the right shall not be infringed. You can't have an effective Militia if no one can own shit, nor can you train (be well-regulated). Therefore the people must be able to own arms without infringement so the Militia can be effective. It's not own-in-connection-to-service, it's own-so-Militia-can-exist. There's no prior restraint of requiring training in the 2nd Amendment on the ownership of arms.

 

[oldguy68]

I must be confused. But isn't the constitution in the bill of rights.
And who's rights are they?
IANAL
It seems very simple to me.
Every citizen makes up the militia and they all have the right to keep and bear arms without our government infringing on that right.
This was written as a people's right.
To keep our own government in check physically and to protect every citizen against any enemy to their freedoms.

 

[Reptile]

New Colorado Law Makes It Far More Difficult to Buy Semi-Automatic Firearms​

New Colorado Law Makes It Far More Difficult to Buy Semi-Automatic Firearms

Law impedes the acquisition of covered weapons by throwing bureaucratic hurdles in front of would-be purchasers

www.infowars.com

 

[Reptile]

Must have fixed mags - Colorado’s New Tack on Gun Control: Make It Harder to Reload​

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/colorado-gun-control-detachable-magazines-0e7df363

 

[Broc Tuah]

I think you missed my point. Some people—especially certain members of Gen Z who can’t even change a light bulb—seriously need proper training. I’ve seen it firsthand at gun ranges: officers yelling at them because they have no idea how to handle a firearm safely.

Have you ever seen the way most gun owners with that sh*t training shoot?

Training won't change a damn thing but make it harder and more expensive gor people to get what they want.

Training requirement also opens the door to eventually making it harder. Today might be a X hours class. Tomorrow could be some sort of multi day course requirement.

 

[basscatfrank]

That’s not entirely accurate. He signed a bill requiring anyone who wants to purchase semi-automatic firearms (including ARs) to obtain a permit, which involves completing training. Honestly, I don’t have an issue with the training requirement

Did you take your First Amendment training before you posted this?

 

[Parker Schreiber]

The first half is explaining why the right shall not be infringed. You can't have an effective Militia if no one can own shit, nor can you train (be well-regulated). Therefore the people must be able to own arms without infringement so the Militia can be effective.

Ignoring the ineffectiveness of militias in the war of 1812 and later wars, Clause 16 of Article 1 grants Congress the power "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia." From that, it does not follow that private ownership was constitutionally required.

Private ownership was mandated, however, by the Militia act of 1792, effectively adding a tax to the muster and training requirements imposed by the states.

Did you take your First Amendment training before you posted this?

I don't consider myself a First Amendment expert. On the other hand, my late wife wrote her thesis on the First Amendment and taught First Amendment Law to undergraduates for decades. I don't see a First Amendment issue in a training requirement, but as a footnote to Bruen points out, "Because any permitting scheme can be put toward abusive ends, we do not rule out constitutional challenges to shall-issue regimes where, for example, lengthy wait times in processing license applications or exorbitant fees deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry."

 

[240Geezer]

You're technically wrong...


"A well regulated militia"..... at the time, "well regulated" meant well trained and well practiced.... In fact, this is the very position our side has staked out when the left says "well regulated" means Government regulation...

I have not read the bill. But if it's a training requirement and not an outright ban, and the training isn't overly egregious, I bet with withstands court challenge... I believe it was Thurgood Marshall who said, "There is no surplus of words in the Constitution."...

Considering the above, I think one could successfully argue in court that the 2nd Amendment does have room for training and proficiency requirements.

That's a lot of "ifs"

 

[Dadstoys]

Have you ever seen the way most gun owners with that sh*t training shoot?

Training won't change a damn thing but make it harder and more expensive gor people to get what they want.

Training requirement also opens the door to eventually making it harder. Today might be a X hours class. Tomorrow could be some sort of multi day course requirement.

For which there is a six month wait list.
A feature not a bug.

 

[chris_1001]

I’m 100% with you and totally agree. But what Reptile posted was definitely an exaggerated headline meant to grab attention. I’m from Colorado, and even after that bill was signed, you can still walk into any gun store and buy revolvers, shotguns, and centerfire rifles without a permit
I think requiring training to use a semi-auto isn’t a bad idea—especially for Gen Z

Did not read the whole thread.

But @Admin @drgrant

Can we bring back the neg rep?

 

[556USER]

I must be confused. But isn't the constitution in the bill of rights.
And who's rights are they?
IANAL
It seems very simple to me.
Every citizen makes up the militia and they all have the right to keep and bear arms without our government infringing on that right.
This was written as a people's right.
To keep our own government in check physically and to protect every citizen against any enemy to their freedoms.

I'll help you out. The Constitution is not IN the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is the original 10 AMENDMENTS to the Constitution. So, essentially the Bill of Rights is an added on part of the Constitution. Kind of like an option package on the new pickup.

 

[Varmint]

That’s not entirely accurate. He signed a bill requiring anyone who wants to purchase semi-automatic firearms (including ARs) to obtain a permit, which involves completing training. Honestly, I don’t have an issue with the training requirement

In a fantasy world where gun control politicians will stop at training, maybe. We gave up on that fantasy decades ago.

 

[seanc]

Have you ever seen the way most gun owners with that sh*t training shoot?

Training won't change a damn thing but make it harder and more expensive gor people to get what they want.

Training requirement also opens the door to eventually making it harder. Today might be a X hours class. Tomorrow could be some sort of multi day course requirement.

If I had to guess how this goes..

The training requirements will need to be “explained, defined”.. this will require, specialists, consultants, committees, approvals, amendments and final votes…

Then.. once that’s done… probably a year plus.

Then… you’ll need to establish a certified trainer, certification and training program…. More hearings, votes..

Then once that’s done is all in place.. at that point people can start scheduling classes…

And then…. What do they do with the cert? Apply at the pd for a permit?

How many years will it be?

 

[Admin]

I’m 100% with you and totally agree. But what Reptile posted was definitely an exaggerated headline meant to grab attention. I’m from Colorado, and even after that bill was signed, you can still walk into any gun store and buy revolvers, shotguns, and centerfire rifles without a permit
I think requiring training to use a semi-auto isn’t a bad idea—especially for Gen Z

 

[Admin]

I think you missed my point. Some people—especially certain members of Gen Z who can’t even change a light bulb—seriously need proper training. I’ve seen it firsthand at gun ranges: officers yelling at them because they have no idea how to handle a firearm safely.

Oh I see you doubled down on stupid...

 

[Drill Baby Drill]

Oh I see you doubled down on stupid...

’m truly sorry for my comments and the opinion I expressed. I sincerely apologize and hope this helps resolve the 2nd amendment issue completely.

 

[Admin]

’m truly sorry for my comments and the opinion I expressed. I sincerely apologize and hope this helps resolve the 2nd amendment issue completely.

I dont want you to apologize. I simply want you to realize that there should be zero restrictions on the 2nd amendment. Just because there is some brain dead retard at Boston College doesn't mean another 18 year old who grew up shooting, can outshoot most cops, should have to take a f-ing class to protect himself.

The bottom line that bong resin retards need to grasp, is the 2nd is about self protection and killing the overlords if they need killing. NO F-ING CLASSES REQUIRED.

DONT F-ING APOLOGIZE FOR BEING IGNORANT, LEARN AND MOVE FORWARD.

 

[alpineboard]

So these people who you say need this training, They will be just as stupid and dangerous as they were after training as they were before training.
You can not fix or change stupid, maybe just give them a different way to be stupid. Embolden them some, and give them an attitude, I tool a class, so I can do this.

 

[Admin]

So these people who you say need this training, They will be just as stupid and dangerous as they were after training as they were before training.
You can not fix or change stupid, maybe just give them a different way to be stupid. Embolden them some, and give them an attitude, I tool a class, so I can do this.

Feels bro, feels..... We MUST DO SOMETHING

 

[Drill Baby Drill]

Feels bro, feels..... We MUST DO SOMETHING

I agree—we definitely need to take action. We can’t just sit back and wait for the governor to sign whatever she wants, then rely on lawsuits and hope SCOTUS steps in. There are rallies happening all over the places in MA after Trump got elected ; maybe we should consider organizing something similar. Even fags hold parades and events to make their voices heard—do gun owners have anything like that? Is there even a radio channel in Massachusetts where we can speak out? These are things GOAL might need to start organizing

 

[FalArAk]

That’s not entirely accurate. He signed a bill requiring anyone who wants to purchase semi-automatic firearms (including ARs) to obtain a permit, which involves completing training. Honestly, I don’t have an issue with the training requirement

How about the only people allowed to own guns are prior military who served in a combat mos, you ok with that? I mean with an exemption for LEO's of course.

 

[Admin]

How about the only people allowed to own guns are only prior military who served in a combat mos, you ok with that?

Just gotta steer the younger guys towards the pie, if they dont go, well then we know who they are.

 

[pinefd]

I agree—we definitely need to take action. We can’t just sit back and wait for the governor to sign whatever she wants, then rely on lawsuits and hope SCOTUS steps in. There are rallies happening all over the places in MA after Trump got elected ; maybe we should consider organizing something similar. Even fags hold parades and events to make their voices heard—do gun owners have anything like that? Is there even a radio channel in Massachusetts where we can speak out? These are things GOAL might need to start organizing

Unfortunately, out of necessity, this type of rally has become quite common down here down in RI. But with the legislature being made up of approximately 80% liberal a$$holes, I'm afraid these rallies will all be in vain. Here's one I attended at the statehouse a couple of weeks ago:

Frank

 

[Drill Baby Drill]

Unfortunately, out of necessity, this type of rally has become quite common down here down in RI. But with the legislature being made up of approximately 80% liberal a$$holes, I'm afraid these rallies will all be in vain. Here's one I attended at the statehouse a couple of weeks ago:

Frank

Didn’t we gather over 50,000 signatures for the referendum? Organizing something with 10,000 people should definitely be doable

 

[Mark from ?]

I agree—we definitely need to take action. We can’t just sit back and wait for the governor to sign whatever she wants, then rely on lawsuits and hope SCOTUS steps in. There are rallies happening all over the places in MA after Trump got elected ; maybe we should consider organizing something similar. Even fags hold parades and events to make their voices heard—do gun owners have anything like that? Is there even a radio channel in Massachusetts where we can speak out? These are things GOAL might need to start organizing

Im confused.......are we talking MA or Colorado? The governor in MA not only signed the huge gun control package last year, but also then doubled down by signing an emergency preamble to lock it in. The big events should have been done before that......

Did you all get enough signatures to get it on the ballot for actual people voting?

 

[Drill Baby Drill]

Im confused.......are we talking MA or Colorado? The governor in MA not only signed the huge gun control package last year, but also then doubled down by signing an emergency preamble to lock it in. The big events should have been done before that......

Did you all get enough signatures to get it on the ballot for actual people voting?

MA. But we should organize rallies across the nation. The whole nation needs to hear our voice.

 

[Mark from ?]

MA. But we should organize rallies across the nation. The whole nation needs to hear our voice.

While I agree.....

I was in MA for 50 years subject to that bullshit......no one in other states really cared then....and no one seems to care now.

No one cares til it hits them at home.......then they care. Like in Colorado....been good for a long time...now your creeping into gun control from Cali retards.....and you want to do something.....well....why now? MA/NY/NJ/CT has been this way for a long time......