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Yup there is something that will work .I'd go along with off body carry being 'bad'. If you can just give up your purse and run, let it gooooooooo. If that doesn't work, you just gave up your gun, or gave a gun to someone 'bad'.
I've said before, the idea you're going to draw, from concealment, faster than a guy who has the drop on you, simply probably isn't based in fact unless you really train. FAMs are the only people I've ever met that dedicated significant time to that particular skill.
There are tons of options, belly bands, holsters, all kinds of stuff to carry comfortably on your body.
Better to hit something with a .380 than miss with a 9mm. And for people who don't shoot regularly there is a big difference between the two. Yes, if anyone shoots regularly, whether male or female, a 9mm out of a decent sized pistol will be plenty accurate, but I don't assume from the OP's post that regular practice is a fait accompli.re: P80.....it costs more to build a p80 than you can buy a Glock for in NH
As for a first gun, I always say revolver, and a bright shiny one
It goes bang every time, there is no issue with "limp wristing", etc etc etc.
Plus with S&W there are many different grips, fillers, etc that make them adaptable for any hand size.
Personally, a Model 60 or equivalent is tops on my list.
After that, then a G43X or G19 would be my next choice after becoming proficient with the revolver.
And please no Kel-Teks or anything in .380.
There's nothing inherently 'wrong' with a 380 vs an unarmored target. It's 'about' the same sized round as a 9mm, just moving a little slower 'generally' speaking. A nice 3 shot group, center mass is going to ruin someone's day.And please no Kel-Teks or anything in .380.
My girlfriend's favorite gun is a 1911 in .45.
Let them rent the barbaric cute stuff enough to get them to figure out that "small and cute" means "unmanageable in most cases" and let the balls fall in line from there.
Personally, I'd push towards a baby 1911 or a p30sk, but I'd also figure out if this was going to be a EDC or home defense gun. If home defense I'd stick with a pistol caliber carbine, if its a carry I'd figure out whether she intends to let it roam the world slightly tethered to reality in a pocketbook or on her persons where it belongs.
I know we're about to run a women's only Basic Pistol class at Harvard in June. If you'd like, I can check if we have any seats left.
As a guy who has put many women through training, I have to disagree with this, and this comes from a guy who carries a J-frame anytime I'm wearing shorts. Every woman who has tried either a J-frame or LCR has 1) struggled with the DA pull during dry-fire; and 2) fired no more than one cylinder (often just one or two shots) and said "F this." Maybe I've just had wimpy women as students (doubt it), but it's a pretty large sample size. A small, simple, DAO, point-and-shoot pistol seems like it would be a good option, by my experience with female students has been very different.In Florida, and Arizona .380 is a popular round.
My gripe with .380 , and this is just pure opinion with no facts or data to back it up is that in colder climates where there are multiple layers of clothing, including Carhartt type jackets you don't get the penetration you would with a good DEFENSIVE 9mm round.... not Winchester white box stuff, but the top shelf stuff.
and 9mm ammo is widely available, I have not seen a lot of .380 in my travels as of late
But I still stand by my original post, that a Model 60, or 36 or a variant of the trusty J frame is a great first gun and close quarters defensive weapon
My 26 year olddaughter is tiny/petite/slim etc.. Small hands, needed something small but (relatively) powerful ...Her first gun was a Ruger LC9s which some think is a bit "snappy" but through practice she's become very accurate with it. And it's very slim and she can (and does) wear it when she's out in social settings, work where she dresses in "thin chick" type nice clothing but always has her LC9s on her. Various holster choices depending on what she's wearing, sometimes a 'belly band' which is comfortable if you find the right one, or sometimes in an 'Elite Protective' brand IWB holster. She occasionally also will carry ankle, depending on clothing/boots etc etc but..She’s 27, just finishing an amicable divorce (as amicable as they can be), and is moving from Nashua to Manchester to an apartment that‘s in an OK neighborhood but not immune from violent crime. I asked if she’d like to go to an NRA Refuse to be a Victim class together and she said, how about a gun class instead?
I took her and her younger brother shooting when young, so she’s shot 22 pistols and rifles, and a AR15. My son is just out of the 82nd Airborne as a SAW gunner, so he’s set, and in school down in NC. SIG Academy has excellent courses but is booked solid for months, so I’ll ask a local instructor whom I’ve known for decades for a dad-daughter class at a local commercial range to get started.
She’s pretty slight of stature, but fit and strong, so might manage my SIG P365 or Glock G43. If not, maybe a 380acp - I only have a KelTec P3AT…not a weapon fit for primary use. Her hands would never manage a G19. Are there other good options to consider?
The NRA RTBAV class is still in the plan - there’s so much more to personnel security and self-defense than being able to put holes in a target. She’s been to a Women;s Self-Defense 1-day class with my wife - we’re both martial arts instructors but prefer others teach our kids such skills…who listens to their parents until they turn 40?
This could be both good and UGLY!you should require spandex attire, so the pistol doesn't get hung up on anything during the draw drills. Also, requiring heels might shift enough body weight towards the balls of the feet to allow them to put some bodyweight into the recoil.
Are your classes open to audit by non-members?
Have a Walther PPS that burned me on the brand. Terrible trigger, need to use both hands and a effing lever to pull that trigger. Worst handgun I've ever used. I keep it around in case I ever want to trade it for a 50$ gift card at a buyback. That's about all it's worth.