Do I want a Glock?

[kalash]

It would really be a replacement for my revolver as a nightstand gun (shotgun is not an option). I like that I can get 15 round mags for a Glock and, since I'm most interested in the 19, 9mm is cheaper to practice with than .38, never mind .357. I'm not a fan of external safeties, which is why I like revolvers and also what's lead me to the Glock (no preban mags for Rugers, otherwise I'd get an SR9c). They are very reliable from what I've read and I like the idea of a DA first pull so I don't set it off while half asleep and fumbling for it, yet SA follow-up shots (man do I love my 1911's trigger). I also like that, unlike with a revolver, I can mount a light on the Glock. I've shot a Glock only once before and will try it again soon.

This is as much me thinking out loud as it is a question but... opinions? I can look at Sigs too. Any potential issues that may arise from loading a G19 and chambering a round every night and clearing it every morning before it goes back into the safe?

P.S. The only reason the 1911 isn't on the nightstand is the external safety and SA trigger... or am I just being silly about it?

 

[Mike-Mike]

Get an old Ruger P85 or P89.

Any potential issues that may arise from loading a G19 and chambering a round every night and clearing it every morning before it goes back into the safe?

Why in the name of God would you do that?

 

[goodzilla]

Why in the name of God would you do that?

This, and bullet setback if you don't rotate that first round (keep re-chambering the same round over and over).

 

[thormx538]

Why in the name of God would you do that?

This, haha.


If anyone ever asks whether or not they should get a Glock, I always say yes. I have converted at least 3 people I shoot with to love the plastic wonderguns. If you're not going to CCW it, just get a G17 (or a G20 )

 

[nobigdeal508]

I have a G19 with a light, it stays loaded next to the bed all day every day 15+1. My EDC is a 33 (357 sig) thats 9+1. If i had the extra money i'd pick up a g42 (380) for the gf or ankle gun.

Yeah, get a glock. You're going to love its simplicity. Advantage arms sells the 22 conversion, even cheaper to practice. You can get the 40 and do multiple barrels.

Its a great platform if you have multiple because 1 accessory fits about any one, like the van guard 2 holster... i use it on both 19/33

Go shoot it, if you hate it then don't get one. If you like it get 2

 

[45collector]

Any potential issues that may arise from loading a G19 and chambering a round every night and clearing it every morning before it goes back into the safe?

P.S. The only reason the 1911 isn't on the nightstand is the external safety and SA trigger... or am I just being silly about it?

1) You can store your guns loaded (in your home) in MA you know, right?

2) What is your fear with a cocked and locked 1911?

 

[thormx538]

This, and bullet setback if you don't rotate that first round.

Nope, IMO bullet set back from rechambering a round should be of no more concern than set back from chambering a round the first time. In theory, it happens from the bullet smashing into the feed ramp when chambering. I have personally tested this with ammo I made, and factory ammo. I was unable to get a bullet to seat deeper by chambering it over and over. I tried with JHP 10mm's, and FMJ 9mm's in my Glocks. Maybe some people have experienced different results in their testing, but it's not something I'm concerned with.

There is also a test (link is alluding me) where a guy pressed a 40SW bullet literally back into the case in an attempt to kaboom his Glock. Like, had to slam the slide into battery with a hammer because the bullet was seated so deep it bulged the case wall and didn't really fit into battery. He was unable to blow his gun up.

 

[kalash]

Why in the name of God would you do that?

That's... actually a good question. I store my wheel guns loaded so I don't know why I wouldn't do the same for a semi. Any need to worry about wearing anything out?

2) What is your fear with a cocked and locked 1911?

Don't want to worry about a safety if aroused at night. If safety is kept off, then I don't want to worry about the light trigger when picking it up at night. Like I said, maybe that's just crazy talk.

 

[Gooman24]

Nope, IMO bullet set back from rechambering a round should be of no more concern than set back from chambering a round the first time. I have personally tested this with ammo I made, and factory ammo. I was unable to get a bullet to seat deeper by chambering it over and over. I tried with JHP 10mm's, and FMJ 9mm's in my Glocks.

There is also a test (link is alluding me) where a guy pressed a 40SW bullet literally back into the case in an attempt to kaboom his Glock. Like, had to slam the slide into battery with a hammer because the bullet was seated so deep it bulged the case wall and didn't really fit into battery. He was unable to blow his gun up.

While I have never tried to blow up a gun I have personally tested and measured set back on various Winchester .40 and .45 ammo. The bullet seated further into the case over several chamberings. The ammo was way out of spec for OAL after the 3rd time. At that point there could easily be a significant increase in chamber pressure. Why invite trouble when there is this and several other compelling reasons to just not unload the gun all the time.

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[thormx538]

That's... actually a good question. I store my wheel guns loaded so I don't know why I wouldn't do the same for a semi. Any need to worry about wearing anything out?

If you can wear out a Glock, you'll be a legend.

Steve at ADCO tried. He tried reaaaally hard.

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90

 

[Mike-Mike]

That's... actually a good question. I store my wheel guns loaded so I don't know why I wouldn't do the same for a semi. Any need to worry about wearing anything out?

No I would make sure you exercise the gun and mags once or twice a year if your worried.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

Pros:
Simple
Cheap
User friendly (become your own armorer via YouTube.
Great aftermarket support

Cons:
Trigger can suck depending on model, but that's easily fixed.


Bottom line: If you treat your guns like your lawnmower, get a Glock.

 

[kalash]

No I would make sure you exercise the gun and mags once or twice a year if your worried.

Once or twice a year? It'll be more like every weekend

Bottom line: If you treat your guns like your lawnmower, get a Glock.

I treat them well but I want them to be able to take lawnmower abuse if needed.


Any other options besides Glocks and Sigs?

 

[Artifact]

Get one, I ccw a 17.

 

[M1911]

It would really be a replacement for my revolver as a nightstand gun (shotgun is not an option). I like that I can get 15 round mags for a Glock and, since I'm most interested in the 19, 9mm is cheaper to practice with than .38, never mind .357. I'm not a fan of external safeties, which is why I like revolvers and also what's lead me to the Glock (no preban mags for Rugers, otherwise I'd get an SR9c). They are very reliable from what I've read and I like the idea of a DA first pull so I don't set it off while half asleep and fumbling for it, yet SA follow-up shots (man do I love my 1911's trigger). I also like that, unlike with a revolver, I can mount a light on the Glock. I've shot a Glock only once before and will try it again soon.

I've got a bunch of Glocks. They work well. There are few guns that are as size-efficient as a Glock 19.

Any potential issues that may arise from loading a G19 and chambering a round every night and clearing it every morning before it goes back into the safe?

Don't do that. Load the gun up. Leave it that way.

Do you really think you are being "safer" by loading and unloading the gun each day? Guns don't go off unless you are messing with them.

The only reason the 1911 isn't on the nightstand is the external safety and SA trigger... or am I just being silly about it?

Yes.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

Once or twice a year? It'll be more like every weekend



I treat them well but I want them to be able to take lawnmower abuse if needed.


Any other options besides Glocks and Sigs?

Sig isn't my bag. I carry an XDs and would get an XDm but I also love my 17 and 19 a lot. 100% reliable whereas my XDs had some teething issues. Get the 19.

And stop being a pussy with your 1911 safety.

 

[kalash]

Don't do that. Load the gun up. Leave it that way.

Do you really think you are being "safer" by loading and unloading the gun each day? Guns don't go off unless you are messing with them.

I seriously don't know why I kept thinking of storing it unloaded. I've driven myself to paranoia by reading about slamfires.

And stop being a pussy with your 1911 safety.

I feel like you've got good advice to offer but you're holding it back... come on, get to the point


Thanks for all the responses.

 

[92G]

i recently got a glock 23 and i couldn't be happier (even though i almost never shoot .40).

for an extra $200, i got a lone wolf 9mm and storm lack .357sig barrels. so now with 1 gun i can shoot 3 different calibers.
it's a sweet system....essentially gives me a G19, G23 and G32 all in one.

i leave the 9mm barrel in it so it's basically a G19 cross-dressed as a G23

 

[M1911]

I seriously don't know why I kept thinking of storing it unloaded. I've driven myself to paranoia by reading about slamfires.

Now you've really got me confused.

A slam fire occurs when you charge the chamber and the gun discharges without the firing pin being pulled. I've never heard of one happening on a handgun.

First, Glocks have a firing pin safeties. The only way the firing pin (aka striker) can move is if you pull the trigger to the rear, which depresses the firing pin plunger, which then allows the firing pin to move.

Second, if you are worried about a slamfire, then why would you want to be loading and unloading the gun daily, as a slamfire occurs while loading the gun? In other words, your "solution" to avoiding a slamfire is actually increasing your chances of experiencing one, not decreasing your chances.

Slamfires typically occur in rifles with floating firing pins. Rifles like the AR15 have a firing pin that floats. That is, the AR15 does not have a spring that keeps the firing pin from moving, nor does it have a firing pin safety. When you load an AR15, the bolt slams forward and stops. The firing pin keeps moving forward and hits the primer. It should not hit the primer hard enough to discharge the round, but stranger things have happened.

In contrast, most handguns do not have floating firing pins and most have firing pin safeties that prevent the firing pin from hitting the round unless you are holding the trigger to the rear.

So I really, really, really don't understand your fear of a slamfire.

 

[kalash]

I have no idea why I assumed I'd be loading/unloading all the time. I get that my concerns are illogical. Your post is pretty much what I needed to hear to put me at ease.

 

[45collector]

I carry an east German Makarov (this time of year at least) with a round chambered and the safety off (and hammer down of course). That gun has a floating firing pin and no stop. I have no fear whatsoever that the gun will go off without me deliberately pulling the trigger. The firing pin doesn't have enough mass to touch off a round even if you dropped the gun muzzle-first onto concrete from 10 feet.

 

[M60]

If you don't like cocked and locked, you could always keep it on half cock. It's just as easy to cock it the rest of the way when needed as it is to thumb the safety off and half cock is one of the safety features on a 1911 .

 

[kalash]

If you don't like cocked and locked, you could always keep it on half cock. It's just as easy to cock it the rest of the way when needed as it is to thumb the safety off and half cock is one of the safety features on a 1911 .

But to half cock it, I'd need to pull the trigger, no? Makes it more likely to have a ND

 

[exo]

On a 1911 with a round chambered, anything less than cocked and locked is unsafe IMO.

 

[mark056]

Personally if I were going to get a night stand gun, I'd get a used 3rd Gen S&W 5900 series with plenty of pre-ban hi cap mags available. There is no requirement to keep the safety on, just use it like a decocking lever, (some have that option only) another possibility would be a used Beretta 92FS, same deal or a Ruger P89 or P93. You are going to spend an arm and a leg on a Glock and same could be said for a Sig P226. Of course your pistol will be properly stored in compliance with the Mass storage laws, I'm sure.

 

[M1911]

If you don't like cocked and locked, you could always keep it on half cock. It's just as easy to cock it the rest of the way when needed as it is to thumb the safety off and half cock is one of the safety features on a 1911 .

I really, really do not recommend this.

First, the purpose of the half-cock notch is so that if the nose of the hammer breaks or if it jumps the sear, the sear will intercept the half-cock notch and prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin. If, on the other hand, the hammer is at half-cock and the half-cock notch jumps the sear, then there is nothing to intercept the hammer - it will hit the firing pin -- hope you have hard primers!

Second, this now requires manually cocking and decocking the 1911, which is a lot more likely to result in an ND then just leaving the damn thing alone. What do you think is safer:

1) Take the cocked-and-locked gun out of your holster, put it in the safe, or
2) Take the cocked-and-locked gun out of your holster, lower the safety, grab the hammer, pull the trigger, start to lower the hammer, release the trigger, slowly release the hammer, put it in the safe.

And when doing the reverse:

1) Take the cocked-and-locked gun out of the safe, put it in your holster, or
2) Take the half-cocked gun out of the safe, grab the hammer, cock the hammer carefully, apply the safety, put it in your holster.

Which of those two is more error prone? Remember the KISS principle?

Third, this complicates the manual of arms. If you normally carry a 1911 cocked-and-locked, and you normally practice that way, then you expect to be able to lower the safety and pull the trigger. If someone breaks in at 0-dark-30 and you grab your 1911 which is at half-cock, chances are you will try to lower the safety and pull the trigger. By the time you figure out why it didn't go off, it may well be too late. If your gun is sometimes condition one and sometimes at half-cock, chances are it will be in one condition when you expect it to be in the other, and that is just really bad juju.

If you like 1911s but are worried about it not being drop safe, then for goodness sake just get a Series 80-style gun with a firing pin safety. Carry it condition 1 and if you want to store it in a ready condition, store it condition 1.

 

[Skylineracer329]

Get a sig 226. Plenty of pre ban 9mm mags around. No external safety, hard DA pull so you are less likely to ND (even though you shouldn't be touching the trigger until you're about to kill someone) and a smooth SA follow up.

 

[M1911]

Get a sig 226. Plenty of pre ban 9mm mags around. No external safety, hard DA pull so you are less likely to ND (even though you shouldn't be touching the trigger until you're about to kill someone) and a smooth SA follow up.

I had one. It just didn't work for me. YMMV.

 

[BattleSnail]

everyone should have at least one Glock. they're plastic and can get through metal detectors at airports.

 

[Skylineracer329]

I had one. It just didn't work for me. YMMV.

To each his own. I love mine. It's a bitch to ccw though since it's about the size of a school bus