Economical Collapse

[jmjkd]

Who here has been in a economical collaps in this country?

 

[hankster]

?

 

[Gidge]

There's a huge thread treating this subject here : http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...ega-thread?highlight=economic+doom+megathread

 

[xtry51]

Have you been drinking all night?

 

[coastie]

What?

 

[Boris]

What is "collaps"?

As far as economic collapse, there are many expats from the Motherland and Easter Europe that can tell you volumes about living through an actual economic collapse, instead of hypothesizing and reading fiction of what could/should/may be. Just look back at the history, ask people you know, this has been played out many times in the course of human history.

It's a legit question. I have.

 

[Zarathustra11]

What is "collaps"?

As far as economic collapse, there are many expats from the Motherland and Easter Europe that can tell you volumes about living through an actual economic collapse, instead of hypothesizing and reading fiction of what could/should/may be. Just look back at the history, ask people you know, this has been played out many times in the course of human history.

It's a legit question. I have.

Exactly, and there are more recent examples to draw from, such as Argentina's collapse in 2001:

[video=google;4353655982817317115]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4353655982817317115[/video]

 

[mikem317]

It's happening now.

 

[not new guy]

I had an economical collapse on Saturday. The wife wanted me to take her out to dinner that night, but after raking all day I just wanted to crash on the couch and get takeout. I got off the hook for only $20 when taking her out would have been at least 3x as expensive.

 

[Bill Katt]

Have you been drinking all night?

 

[headednorth]

I was just talking to a guy in work who's from Bosnia. Back in the day, just before the war, his dad told him to exchange his money for German Marks. He didnt, his dad did. He pointed at a trash barrel as he was telling me this and said he could of filled a barrel with his money and it still wouldnt have been worth anything. His dads saving held its value.

Also read a story about Argentina. You always hear of people buying gold to use as currency. The author said people would carry gold chains and a pair of pliers and clip off links onto a scale at a shop to pay for whatever they were buying. Whipping out a gold bar would get you killed.

Not sure what currency would be best to exchange into. Swiss francs maybe?

 

[Boris]

Not sure what currency would be best to exchange into. Swiss francs maybe?

whatever any .gov can not print more of ... like gold or silver or ammo

 

[jmjkd]

How can people argue about what to do, how to do it, and so fourth if they have never done it. I was asking who has been through this hardship. I think that is a pretty valid question.
Who has been through it? Simple!

 

[Boris]

How can people argue about what to do, how to do it, and so fourth if they have never done it. I was asking who has been through this hardship. I think that is a pretty valid question.
Who has been through it? Simple!

I've lived through this only partially, luckily we were able to GTFO before shit got real bad. Do you have any specific question though or you just want to run a poll?

 

[drgrant]

Have you been drinking all night?

Yarrow poisoning?

-Mike

 

[xtry51]

Every collapse is a little different due to political situations varying. Also in the present case it's very possible one collapse could lead to a global cascade of "first world" countries, which has not happened before.

Keep the basics available, food, water, shelter, guns and ammo. Do that and you'll always have something to trade.

If you have significant liquid wealth get it offshore in non-US currency investments. Obviously stay away from the Euro as well.

In a collapse you need to physically have things of value in your immediate possession. Not in a bank. Banks get shut down and/or go out of business. At home or close enough to get it quickly.

Remember the last time the US had a depression the government confiscated all the gold. Expect this to happen again with other commodities.

 

[jmjkd]

Boris I can't speak for others only personal experiences. I think folks who have lost their homes, their jobs, separated from their kids, standing in foods lines for bread and a few cans of food, are mentally and emotionally in a place where only a 22 cent solution is the answer. It doesn't have to be an entire country in the collaps, the soul has been collaps and there are many who are going throught this right now.

That's really funny Huh?

 

[not new guy]

Obama and the left are arguing that we are currently enjoying the middle of a strong recovery.

 

[xtry51]

We're laughing at your auto correct continuously using "collaps", unless you're unaware it has an E on the end, which I'm sure is not the case.

What we're experiencing in the US right now is nothing like what Argentina and Russia when through. We're a few magnitudes off from that level still. Wait till there are no more grocery stores because there is no food or electricity is shut off. That's when a collapse is happening. What we have now is something people in those situations would have killed for.

The ability to get food whenever you want and not freeze to death in the winter due to lack of heat are 100% taken for granted right now considering our current position. Those are the two things you need to be worried about as we enter winter.

 

[coastie]

Boris I can't speak for others only personal experiences. I think folks who have lost their homes, their jobs, separated from their kids, standing in foods lines for bread and a few cans of food, are mentally and emotionally in a place where only a 22 cent solution is the answer. It doesn't have to be an entire country in the collaps, the soul has been collaps and there are many who are going throught this right now.

That's really funny Huh?

If you are contemplating a permanent solution to a temporary problem than you need to seek real help and not folks on the internet. Go talk to a preacher, counselor or call a hotline.

I have watched family member lose their houses, have to drop out of school etc due to lose of jobs and poor decisions. It is heartbreaking and very stressful. They were fortunate in that they got unemployment, welfare etc as well as a lot of support from other family. I think that is the big difference between personal financial collaps in this country and a nationwide economical collaps. In a the big one there will be no support system. When you look at the overall economic depression we are in now, many have lost homes, cars, savings, jobs etc but few are truly homeless and starving. They arent necessarily getting what they want but they are able to survive fairly comfortably.

 

[Timber]

Tell us where you're getting dome poppers for $0.22 before doing anything rash though, OK? And do they ship to MA?

 

[Gidge]

... There will be no support system.

This. In the great depression 90% were self sufficient, these days that has flipped to about 10% -- and climbing with more and more people prepping these days. In the 1930's everyone, even city folk had a cousin who lived in the country and access to staples that we take for granted now (e.g. Milk, eggs, butter). It's high time to learn (or re-learn) the basic survival skills necessary for SHTF time, IMHO.

 

[Boris]

Boris I can't speak for others only personal experiences. I think folks who have lost their homes, their jobs, separated from their kids, standing in foods lines for bread and a few cans of food, are mentally and emotionally in a place where only a 22 cent solution is the answer. It doesn't have to be an entire country in the collaps, the soul has been collaps and there are many who are going throught this right now.

That's really funny Huh?

there is nothing I'm making a fun of, your spelling of "collapse" was irritating me, but never mind.


shit has already started to roll downhill for many folks and a lot have been on the brink for a while. There was an article in Herald, from a while back, one guy ended up homeless after loosing his white collar job and his whole financials just crushed. He had a very decent life and his close family was blown away that he was too embarrassed to ask for help. He was sleeping over the air vents, downtown when someone from his friends recognized him.

A lot of families in the same situation, many more to come. Many of us had long cut down on luxuries and are in hunker down mode.

Crazy shit can collapse all it wants, money, job, "friends" ... your soul is the last bastion. It has nothing to do with financial or economic problems, but it sure does put a lot of strain on you to figure out what's what. I don't know if there is a question in your post, because everyone agrees with you and shit has been going downhill and a lot more people are getting affected more and more each day.



PS. 22 cent "solution" is never a solution, it's a damned easy way out for pussies. Only one person can collapse your soul, it's you.

 

[JuergenG]

Obama and the left are arguing that we are currently enjoying the middle of a strong recovery.

 

[xtry51]

That's the wrong guy/country, I think you meant to post this:

 

[coastie]

At least Baghdad Bob was funny. Ben is scary.

 

[Gidge]

At least Baghdad Bob was funny. Ben is scary.

Agreed.

 

[Hiltonizer]

From a purely theoretical point of view and IMHO, a economic collapse is one of the most difficult things to prep for (efficiently anyway). But unfortunately the most likely and certainly the most imminent. That being the case, I've been giving it a lot more specialized consideration lately as i'm making some rather large moves that will be and are currently being impacted by this. A few thoughts of mine:

- No two are the same, from individual, to regional, to national. You can only cherry pick certain things to learn from.
- The things to can learn from being so independent of another prevent a tapestry of knowledge as they generally conflict from one scenario to another
- The timing can be sudden to prolonged. Prolong is good from the standpoint that you have room to make some moves, but it could also mean that the moves are harder to make if even possible.
- It's likely to be a situation where there is an excessive rule of law than societal breakdown, further complicating certain survival activities.
- To balance a normal life with average resources, and preparing for this, requires a good sense of timing. Even a small miscalculation can jeopardize either if not both.
- It can precipitate many other key events, from disease, social unrest, war, martial law, etc.

 

[OPM]

PS. 22 cent "solution" is never a solution, it's a damned easy way out for pussies. Only one person can collapse your soul, it's you.

+1 Best post in this thread.

Jmjkd, economic difficulties are never a good reason for $0.22 solution. As coastie said, seek professional help. There is absolutely no reason to give up.

Remember the last time the US had a depression the government confiscated all the gold. Expect this to happen again with other commodities.

Technically speaking gov never “confiscated” the gold. They bought it. People were indeed forced to sell, but they were not selling at a loss.

 

[xtry51]

Technically speaking gov never “confiscated” the gold. They bought it. People were indeed forced to sell, but they were not selling at a loss.

I would vehemently argue that point since right after the gold "exchange" FDR had the dollar value cut by 40%. They sold at a loss. That's the whole reason gold was taken.

The only reason to confiscate gold and other assets is because you want to debase the currency. Otherwise there is no need to destroy the competition.